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A Closer Look at The Truth About Prayer

~ How do we pray? What are we supposed to pray for? Can prayer change things? Can prayer circumvent God’s will? Are your prayers of concern greater than God’s knowledge and will and his love for all? Can prayer cause God to do anything to change the outcome? These are some of the things that are discussed in today’s program.

First off, a prayer of asking for forgiveness from God is not even being close to a prayer of faith. As we have spoken in the past, faith is always a responder to Truth. Asking for something from God in which he has already done it, is a denial of what God did in the first place. That is NOT faith, but is unbelief in a very key aspect of God. So it is so important to understand this very truth in our understanding of God’s forgiveness before we can ever hope to understand the truth about prayer.

Prayer starts with listening to what God says and not about asking God for something, or to do something based on me being the center of the universe. Yet as we hear from those of the world today they do the exact opposite. If you listen to most people’s prayers today, they are not based on the truth of the word of God but based on their own vending machine idea of God. They think, I’ll do this, and that will cause God to do that. I’ll plug in my quarters to God, because I am so righteous and wonderful me will cause God to do what I ask him to do. No, no, no. Jesus is NOT a vending machine for anything. God knows all and he is true to His word. Are your prayers based on truth and proper understanding of the word of God? Or are you the master of your own universe? While here, Jesus God in flesh lived as the perfect Man of God, and He showed us the truth about prayer:

~ And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. _{Luke 22-41-43}

Father, not my will, but yours be done

~ I think what the issue is on that, Joan, is the fact of what in essence, you may not be saying that, but in essence, what you’re saying, I am more concerned about somebody than God is. Now that’s totally contrary to Scripture. God says, I even see the hair on your head. And if I see the sparrow, then what do you think I’m doing looking at you. And so we can never get down to a point where with our theology, on prayer on Bible study, or whatever it might be, where the result of what we’re teaching means that I’m more interested and more capable than God is. So I think what our prayers always have to be couched in, is God viewed oh, what my will is for this situation. If you’re in a marriage situation where it’s and you’re unequally yoked, you know, it’s my desire that my husband come to the Lord, but I can’t force him to, and neither can you. Because your will, is totally that he comes to Jesus, but he has a choice. And he can choose to reject you, or he can excuse to accept you. And I just pray that his heart will be open and somehow some way so that he’ll accept you into his heart as his Lord and Savior. And, and, and again, in your prayer could be I know, it’s your will, Lord, that He come to Christ, I know that. But I also know that you gave him a choice and a will. And you’re not going to violate that. So those are those to me is what prayer is it’s talking to God the most, you know, the deepest things of your heart that you’re you’re looking for, and he knows that, and you can make your request, but it always has to be however, just like Jesus will at the cross, you stopped to think, I don’t think he was really excited about getting the daylights beaten out of him. And, and getting nailed to a cross and stabbed any side and all of that. I don’t think he was thrilled with that idea. But that’s what he had to do in order to accomplish what he had to accomplish for us. And so what was his prayer? Father, not my will, but yours be done. I have it he expressed what he wish If it’s possible, I’d say take this away from me. So he expressed what his his desire was, but he then supplemented that by saying, however, it’s not my will but Yours be done. I think that has to be the attitude of all of our prayers.” ~ Bob George

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Jacob 0:57
Yeah, you know how I told you I just keep you updated on the situation with that little church, I was checking out. Yeah, if you remember that or not? Well, I had a just kind of had a real big eye opener as to the just the way that truth, how the gospel can be twisted. And, and basically what happened to me was, I was having some conversations with this pastor, because I am real guarded and careful about not wanting to get myself into a situation where I lose my freedom and Christ. And I had some really what seemed like great conversations with this pastor, and he seemed to be agreeing with everything I was saying. And when I would talk to him about the fullness of the grace of God, and how thankful I was that, you know, that Christ did it all for me, and how I can just rest in Him. And He seemed to be agreeing with everything I was saying. And he even came over to my house once and we talked for about an hour about just different issues about the gospel and the New Covenant, and tithe and we talked about all these different things. And he seemed to be agreeing with me. And then so I had not, I had only gone to his church maybe about four times. And I started really noticing a difference. total difference and what he was saying there versus what we would talk about when I wasn’t at the church. And it was like total forked tongue. And I started to feel that and I don’t know if you guys remember, but about a week ago, a lady named Julie called in. And she was she heard me talking about this church, and everything was thinking about trying it out everything. And she went with me the last Sunday that I went, which was this last Sunday. And it was like God was just showing me how, how amazing that everyone everything there was it was just like, the flesh. It wasn’t. It wasn’t at all like I thought it was. And my heart was just all my joy was ebbing away. And I was like, This is what in the world I can’t. And I couldn’t even I could hardly even believe that, that he had been deceiving me. I couldn’t believe it. And so then I left. And so he called me a bunch of times, because he saw me walk up right out of church. And I guess he was trying to find out. Herman was trying to find out what was going on. And I, I got to talk to him about the same issues all over again. And I found out, he believes you can be cut off from fellowship from God, if you sin. He doesn’t believe in the finality, the cross, he believes and tightening because he insulted my giving. He said I wasn’t giving enough. Just everything total total lie of what he said before. And he said, There’s no way he’d let me teach this stuff in that church. And he said that me even talking about the finality of the cross and the fact that I don’t have to ask God to forgive me anymore, but that I am forgiven and God, he said, those are the smallest points of Christianity, not even to be talked about. And I told him, Well, Herman, I feel that the finality of the cross, to me, is one of the most important things that God has ever shown me in my life. And it’s very important to me, and I just wanted to express my concern for listeners. And because I had only been really listening to People to People for about two years, maybe not even that long, and I was getting grounded in the grace of God. And I just wanted to warn people of the subtlety of Satan and how he can just just lie just boldface lie to you and say, Oh, I believe in grace, sure. And then just totally twist it and change it. And I was almost brought into bondage and I’m just thankful that because you are proclaiming the truth of God and it helped me know that I am free in Christ. And I was led by the Spirit and I stopped going to that church so and I would like if you guys could just to take off any kind of notes that I put about that being a place to go that because they teach the grace of God because they Don’t they don’t teach the fullness.

Bob George 5:02
Did you name the name of that church? When you when you called in?

Jacob 5:06
No, I’ve never named the name. Okay. I just, I put the name of it in the notes on an email I sent to you. Yeah.

Bob George 5:14
Well, we’ll certainly make note of that too Jacob. Because what you’re saying is so true. You, you see, the reason people lie, is their father is the author of lies. That’s what Jesus said, You lie, because your father is the liar. The originator of all lies is Satan. A person that says that the cross is secondary issue is blind to reality, and certainly blind to spirituality. The cross and the resurrection is the centrality of the totality of the gospel apart from those two, there is no gospel. So how could you say that’s a secondary issue, it is the primary issue. The reason that people think you can get in out of fellowship because of sin is because they don’t know that God has taken away your sin from the sight of God. So how could you be out of fellowship? John explains it this way, if you’re in the light as He God is in the light. The result of that is you have fellowship with one another in the blood of Jesus, his Son continually keeps on cleansing, you have all unrighteousness. So how could you ever get in darkness? How could you ever get out of fellowship when you’re in the light as God is in the light, and as a result of the light that you’re both in, you have fellowship with one another. So it’s just the fact that Jacob, that there are people out there that have either been to a lousy cemetery, seminary, excuse me, and are just passing on the lousy teaching that they’ve had there. Or people who really have never had any interest at all in trying to get to the bottom of the meaning of the word of God. So I appreciate your discernment, Jacob, and your interest in calling back so that and I’m glad you at least hooked up with the lady that called in. And maybe you guys might end up just starting a Bible study.

Jacob 7:07
We’re planning on that.

Bob George 7:11
There is nothing sacred about people called the church, a building with a cross on it. And, and a marquee out in front. The church is people, it is not a building. It is people and it’s God’s people, the true Church, the only church that God’s interested in, is born again believers. And we’re he is the head and we are his body here on this earth. And the way that we become his body here on this earth is when the moment that we accept Christ Jesus, that’s Christ in us Our only hope of glory. And then he baptizes or places us into his body. And we are now his body here on this earth. And that is what’s called the ecclesia, or the church. It’s not the building on the corner of walk and don’t walk. It’s people. And what we have done is substitute that relationship with Christ Jesus, where he calls us children of God. And we’ve substituted and said, Well, that’s nice children of God. But I want another kind of label. I want to be known as a Baptist. So I’m going to put Baptist label or charismatic or Methodist or whatever, I’m going to put that on my jar. And therefore it really doesn’t make a difference what’s inside doesn’t make any difference whether it’s Smuckers jelly, or, or Knott’s Berry Farm jelly or who’s jelly’s inside, it doesn’t matter because the label says Smuckers. And with a name like Smuckers, it’s got to be good. Well, we do the same thing. You know, with a name like Baptists because it’s got to be good. Or maybe like Presbyterians gotta be good. Nobody has a clue what’s inside the jar. It’s just worshipping at the foot of the label. I was a Presbyterian for years. What do Presbyterians believe? I didn’t have a clue, and neither had any pastor that was ever under have a clue. In fact, there was only one it was saved out of the whole game and I was involved with. And so the issue is that but it doesn’t matter. We’re Presbyterian or we’re Methodist, or we’re Baptist, and we’ve substituted that for this relationship with God. And we’ve said, yeah, that’s okay. But it’s this relationship down here with each other. It’s, it’s this, it’s this group, that’s important. I said, No, it isn’t. This group isn’t important at all, in comparison to what God is looking for, and that’s born again people. So if you went into a congregation today, and a rapture occured, you’d probably have about two thirds of it, just keep enjoying the singing. And because you have people there are professors, but not possessors of Christ. And the only way that you’re going to ever understand the meaning of the word of God is if Christ Jesus lives in you. And that’s quite frankly, I think, Jacob why so many people ignore, ignore new birth. Or is because they don’t have it. And they, therefore they cannot understand Scripture. And so to ignore the Bible, that’s what I was thinking, ignore the Bible. I never had the Bible open. I was in church all my life never had a Bible open. Why would because it wasn’t important. I couldn’t understand it, if I didn’t have it open and understand what it was saying. And so people therefore say, well, at least I can sit in church and hope that God will recognize this. That isn’t God’s Church, God’s Church are people who are truly born again, he’s the head and we’re the body. And if we just keep that in mind, why then we won’t be so disappointed when we go into a fellowship like this and see what we see. Because quite frankly, I would probably go into a fellowship with with the opposite idea that’s going to be a miracle if I hear what I know to be true. Therefore, I’m never disappointed because I didn’t expect anything out of them anyway.

Jacob 11:05
Right. One thing I was also wanting to say is that the subtlety of of it, because they were saying things that on the on the surface, she would say, hey, they’ve got a handle on truth. They were quoting John 10:10. And they were talking about that, but they were relating it back to just works. And I was like, it’s amazing how they can be quoting the Scripture about life, and be tying that in to work. And that’s, that’s the main thing I noticed when I was there. I was, see, when I listen to your ministry, I get focused upon Christ, and Him alone. And when I was there, I was getting focused back on me. And that’s what I noticed, even though they would talk about Jesus, it would be like, serving Jesus. Yeah, doing things for Jesus. And the other thing I wanted to say too, is that I’m thankful that I’m very thankful that I heard you guys teaching about First John one, nine, because that gave me so much peace of my heart, when I was able to settle the finality, the cross that I don’t, you know, I can agree with God and thank Him by FAITH that he took my sins away. But I don’t have to grovel, I don’t have to feel guilty. I can rejoice in my new relationship with Christ because of what he did for me at the cross. And see he, he taught, he teaches that you have eternal life, and you can’t lose it. But then he’ll go right around and say, but this life can be disturbed because you can, you can sin, and you’re out of fellowship. And he said, here’s the thing that doesn’t make sense at all. If you carry this through, he says, You can sin. And sometimes you sin and you don’t even know it. And so according to his teaching, if you sin, and you’re out of fellowship, one of these days, you sin and you don’t know it, then you can go your whole Christian life and be out of fellowship with God and not even know it. And that doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, you know.

Bob George 13:05
Well, again, tell him to look up in the Scripture and find where being in in and out of fellowships in the Bible. So I did

Jacob 13:12
Bob, I was able to challenge him with Scripture. And because of some of the things you were talking about, I was able to go away, loving Him, speaking the truth of the New Covenant to him. And usually when I squabble with people, I don’t, I don’t always feel love. I feel conflicted. But I felt because I was proclaiming truth. I felt like I had done him a favor, by proclaiming the fullness of Christ. He even asked me where the scriptures were. And I was showing him in Hebrews because I have that scriptural journey book that you gave me good. I was pointing them out to him, and there was dead silence for a while. I said, you know what’s happening? When people are sitting there, and they’re saying, God, please forgive me, please forgive me, because that’s what I told him was so disturbing, one of the things that I couldn’t handle and he said, I said, the Bible says, not even knowing it, but ignorantly what they’re doing is they’re trampling that sacrifice. They’re making a mockery out of the cross in what Jesus did for them because, and he says, Well, they do it because they like it. It makes them feel good. They want to do it. I said, if you taught them the truth, why would they want to do that? Yeah. We’re not gonna teach that here.

Bob George 14:16
Yeah. Well, you never know things that Jacob if you might have sown some seeds there that will come to fruition someday. So you keep praying for him. And he sounds like you got a lot of information into his head. And, you know, you never know what will happen there. But don’t give up because a person like that may not agree with you, and their pride wouldn’t enable them to do so. But they still know that what they believe is not working, and therefore they may go back and seek out that information and come to truth. Well, Jacob, we appreciate your call brother and you call anytime and God bless you pal. Okay, guys, have a good day. Thanks to Jacob. Bye bye now. Bye.

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JESUS DIED…
1. For all (1st Timothy 2:6; Isaiah 53:6).
2. For every man (Hebrews 2:9).
3. For the world (John 3:16).
4. For the sins of the whole world (1st John 2:2).
5. For the ungodly (Romans 5:6).
6. For false teachers (2nd Peter 2:1).
7. For many (Matthew 20:28).

For Me:

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. ^{Galatians 2:20}

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