Call-In Classic Christianity Radio – Bob George P650 (07-09-21)
At times callers call because they are not quite grasping what they are reading in scripture or what they hear from the pulpit does not seem to make sense anymore. A person usually starts off by saying he believes Jesus died for all my sins, past, present and future, but then wonders if he needs to confess his sins to be sure he dies in a state of grace so he does not lose salvation. That is a person who has not grasped what salvation is. If salvation depends on anything we do to get it or keep it, then it is not salvation.
The only sin attributable to man is the sin of unbelief in what Jesus accomplished for us. Now, just because Jesus died on a cross does not mean everyone is universally saved. No one is saved by the death of Christ, although His death is a necessary part of salvation. Everyone is reconciled to God through the death of God’s Son, something Jesus did 2000 years ago for us, and had nothing to do with what we who are alive today did, for we were not even born yet when Jesus died. According to Hebrews 9:22, Jesus shed His blood on a cross was necessary to eternally take away the sins of the world from the eyes of God, never to see them again.
So salvation is not getting your sins forgiven. Jesus’ death was a necessary preparation for eternal life to be given. It is what took away forever the cause of our death, which is sin, but forgiveness of sins does not produce life. The resurrected life of Jesus from the dead is what gives life. So Romans 5:10 tells us that we are saved by His life. Jesus always appealed to men to come to Him to receive life, a life that He came to give, called eternal life, and which happened for the very first time in history on the Day of Pentecost. Now, all who receive Christ by faith in what He did by way of His death, burial and resurrection receives eternal life, and that can never be taken away because God always lives forever and because of the eternal consequence of the cross.
Not all men will want to choose life. There are passages in 2 Thessalonians that speak of those who will be destroyed forever, separated from God, those who refuse to receive life. All men are born dead spiritually with the ability to choose life. If they refuse life then the wrath of God remains on them, and on the day they die physically then they will remain dead spiritually.
Many people get taught all kinds of things from the pulpit. Oftentimes, people will tell someone who does not go to church that they are forsaking the assembly and are in sin. So much is about sin, sin sin, instead of life, life, life. The church is not a building. In fact many places people call churches are entertainment and activity centers and not places to grow in learning truth, or not even for praying and fellowship with people of like mind, who should want to talk about the Lord. In many churches, there are pastors who do not even know the Lord. How can they tell others what they themselves do not know? The Church is people, people born again and placed into the body of Christ, of whom Christ Jesus is the head of the body. Bob George, who also served in the capacity as a pastor, so is not opposed to church pastors or teachers, but is saying that the most growth he has observed in people without fail is in home bible studies where people are free to ask questions and who in turn dig into the word of God for themselves, relying on the Spirit of God living in them to reveal truth to them.
Too many people rely on pastors and teachers for truth, but the Spirit is the one who ultimately reveals truth to men. The role of an evangelist or pastor is to help people to trust Jesus, and not to come to them to get fed, to be dependent on them for truth, as if they are the head of the church. Christ is the head of the church, and He directs each member of His body what He has for them. Yet so many churches push converts into doing something for Jesus when they should be learning all that they have in Jesus, and rest in what Jesus has already done. How many people know that they are made complete in Christ, and that they have everything they need for life and godliness? A pastor-teacher is to help people have confidence in Jesus provision of life for them, and learn how to let the Spirit of God lead them internally.
So, if you have the Spirit of God living in you, it is your heart’s desire to compel others toward love and good deeds, to spur one another on in the Lord, as we all have a tendency to lose heart, and all the more as you see the Day of the Lord approaching. You find a place with one or two like-minded believers and that is what assembling together can be for you.
Greg from Morrison, CO
Greg: I just started listening to your show. I really enjoy it. I am new to learning the word of God, and I am trying to learn as quickly as I can.
Bob: That is great, Greg.
Greg: My question is about eternal life. I know Jesus died for all of our sins in the past and the present and the future. If I confess my sins and repent, then I can be saved. Do I have to be in a state of perfection right up until I do die for that salvation to happen?
Bob: Well Greg, no. I tell you where you are off on that. You made the statement, “Confess my sins”. That is not what you confess. You confess your sin of unbelief and become a believer in what Christ Jesus provided for you. If you are like me, if I had to sit down and confess my sins, it would take at least 150 years. Your sins were placed on the back of God never to be seen again, in fact, before you were ever born.
10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
Bob: When were you reconciled to God through the death of His Son? When you were an enemy. What does that mean? When you were lost. Reconciliation covered the sins of the entire world back to Adam and forward to eternity. Every sin has been placed upon Christ Jesus except one. How much more, having been reconciled, that being an accomplished fact, shall you be saved by his life. You are not saved by the death of Christ. You are saved by the life of Christ. You could not be saved by the way you are saved, with eternal life, apart from the eternal consequence of the cross. What Jesus provided for at the cross cannot bring about life from the dead. Only resurrected life can cause that. But had He not taken away the sins of the world, because sin is what caused spiritual death, you and I could not have eternal life today. Because He did take away the sins of the world never to see them again and the entire world was reconciled to God through that one death for us. But that being an accomplished fact, how much more shall we be saved by His life. You have to be saved from the consequence of sin. The consequence of sin is death. The man who sins shall surely die. We have been saved from the consequence of sin, which is death, by the resurrected life of Christ Jesus. If sin is what caused our death, and God gave us life, had it not been for the taking away of the sins of the world, then the next time you sinned you would die spiritually, wouldn’t you?
27 to whom God willed to make known what the wealth of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles is, the mystery that is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Bob: The reason you cannot lose salvation is because salvation is the imputation of Christ’s life in you, your hope of glory. The reason you cannot lose that life is because the only thing that can cause it would be sin, and all of the sins of the world had been placed on the back of God never to see them again.
John 16:9 (TLB)
9 The world’s sin is unbelief in me
Bob: The only sin attributable to man, Greg, is the refusal of believing what Jesus Christ accomplished for you and me at the cross, taking away our sins, never to see them again, and through His resurrection, where He came and entered into our death with us, and was raised from dead so that that life that raised Him from the dead can raise you from the dead. So you have eternal life.
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Bob: That is part of your inheritance. You have eternal life. No one can take it away from you. As Paul said that he has become convinced of.
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Bob: Is that good news?
Greg: That is great news. Yes.
Bob: Greg, you rest in the fact that if you have accepted what Christ did for you at the cross, and you have accepted His resurrected life to come live in you, which is your hope of glory, that you are saved eternally.
2 Peter 1:1-4
1 To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 for His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4 Through these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world on account of lust.
Bob: Now, you asked the question, “What does God expect?” He wants us to walk by faith. Does that mean we walk in perfection? No way. If you want to get to the point that you are perfect, pray for death, for that is the only time you are going to be perfect, when you are absent from the body and present with the Lord, as far as you are concerned. But God made you complete while you are here on earth. He has given you everything you need for life and godliness, and there is absolutely nothing else that you need. So what do you do? You spend your time finding out what your inheritance is and praising God for it.
Bob: Does that help, Greg?
Greg: Yes, that helps.
Bob: Whenever Satan comes in bombarding you, tell him to get lost. You are a child of the living God. There is no way for God to give away His children. You cannot disown your children. Even in Jewish law, you could not disown an adopted child. You can disown your own but not an adopted child by Jewish law. That is what Paul said if you are adopted into Christ, you cannot lose that salvation.
Greg: Thank you.
Bob: Greg, if you get a chance, buy a copy of Classic Christianity and read through that book, and test it out with the scriptures. It will really help to solidify what God has done in your life.
Bob: Let me put you on hold. Hang on, pal.
Don from Berkely, CA
Don: I had a question. A lot of people advocate not going to church. Other people say you do not need to go to church or be a member of a church. I was wondering what you think about that kind of thing?
24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another – and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Bob: The bible tells us not to forsake assembling together. I think the problem is when people use the phrase “go to church”, you visualize a building with stained-glass windows, on a corner of walk and don’t walk, and call that church. That is the furthest from the truth. That is a building. You and I are the church. Our body is the body of Christ Jesus here on this earth. We are the church, the body of Christ. That is why Jesus said before that was ever formed, where two or more gathered in My name, there I am in the midst of you. It would be difficult for me to think that if two or more of us are gathered together, then that would not be church. For that is the church, people. He says do not forsake assembling together. It is like logs on a fire. One log on a fire might smoulder and burn out. But if you put two or three out there, they feed on each other. We need encouragement not of a church service but the encouragement of the body of Christ.
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Bob: In the early church, they met daily for the apostle’s teaching and for fellowship and prayer. That really is the purpose of church, good teaching, of fellowship and for prayer. We have made a recreation center out of church and an activity center instead of a place you can go and learn the truth of the word of God, fellowship with like-minded believers and to pray together. Is that important? Yes. That is important for us. Could we do that in a coffee shop? Yes, absolutely. Can you do that in homes? Yes. That is what they all did in the early church. Do we need to go down to a big building with the word church on the outside of a building? You do not have to go there. You could go to a home bible study, where the body of Christ is meeting together.
Bob: You have to be led like that, Don, where you feel comfortable in growing in the Lord. In my own case, and I have had years of experience in the Christian world, and I can tell you this without reservation, that every person I have ever known who has really grown in the knowledge of Christ Jesus was in a home bible study setting when that took place. If you think you are going to sit in a pew for half an hour once a week and learn anything about the bible, you are not going to. You get with people you can ask questions, study the word of God, and bury yourself in the word of God yourself. That is where you are going to grow. Whatever atmosphere is going to be conducive for you doing that that is where you need to be.
Don: What do you think about after that, after you do that?
Bob: You just have to be led.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
Don: What if you do that and then somebody stands up and preaches the word after that. A preacher or pastor of a church, that they should not be able to teach?
Bob: I pastor a church, so I am certainly not talking against pastors or teachers. But if someone is going to depend on me for half an hour on Sunday morning, no. So my teaching is to teach people to have confidence in the fact that if the Holy Spirit is alive living in you, He will teach you the meaning of the word of God. That is how you are going to grow in Christ, having the Spirit teach you.
1 Corinthians 2:9-10
9 However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”[Isaiah 64:4] – the things God has prepared for those who love him –
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
Bob: The role of a pastor is to equip people for the work of ministry and the work of ministry is to believe in Jesus. It is not so you can come to me so I can give you food. If you come and listen to me, I am going to tell you to depend on the Spirit to teach you. Nothing wrong with any of those things, but you have to do where God is leading you to go. We are not a bunch of sheep. God leads you individually. If God leads you over to this assembly, and you feel for sure that is where God is leading you, that is where you need to be. Nobody can tell you different. If you are wrong, God’s Spirit living in you will point that out to you. We need to learn to trust the Spirit of God who lives in us who has promised to lead and guide us into all truth and take the things of the Lord Jesus Christ and make them known to us and to help us grow in the knowledge of the grace of God. If we will learn to depend upon Him, we will do just that, we will grow in the knowledge of Christ Jesus.
Don: Okay. Thank you.
Bob: Okay, brother? Good to talk to you. Bye. Bye now.
Delores from Corpus Cristie, TX
Delores: Thanks for taking my call.
Bob: You are welcome, Delores.
Delores: I have been studying the bible since I was very young. I know that we are supposed to act like Jesus wants us to act. I have some sisters who do not want me to even mention anything about religion to them. I try to tell them it is not about religion. When you come to talk to us do not even talk about it. But then I have to listen to all their bad words. They talk using such bad words. Does that mean they are saved or not saved? They say they know God but I do not have to tell them. What do you suggest for me to do?
Bob: Obviously, Delores, they do not know the Lord at all. If you know the Lord, you certainly do not tell people to not talk to me about the Lord, if you know the Lord. That is certainly a more exciting conversation than the dumb things we come up with. You are talking with people who do not know the Lord. The manifestations verify that. If their language and their being unequally yoked. You are blood sisters but you are unequally yoked spiritually. If that is a problem for you and you do not want to sit around listening to their foul mouth, then you might as well just not go visit.
Delores: That is what I wanted to know? Am I obligated because they are my family, and out of an example? But they do not want to hear anything. My husband tells me to stay away from them.
Bob: I think that advice to listen to your husband fits well there. You know, Delores, it is really tough. If you are in a Christian workplace, there is nothing you can do about it. You are working there. When you are talking about going and visiting people, you have an option as to whether you want to do it or whether you do not not. They have no remorse at all using foul language in your presence.
Deloires: Yes, in restaurants and in front of people. It embarasses me.
Bob: The reason people are doing that is because they are lost. The reason I keep talking to you, and do not tell me you are saved, is because you are not saved.
Delores: If they are not saved, that means they are going to hell.
2 Thessalonians 1:5-10
5 All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.
Bob: Yes, of course they are. There is no other name under heaven by which you are saved. And you are not saved by just acknowledging Jesus Christ existed. The devil knows he existed.
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that – and shudder.
Delores: I will pray for them and that is all I can do.
Bob: At this particular junction in life, they are rebellious against hearing truth, then you are an ambassador of truth. If they do not want you to be the ambassador, then probably the ambassador does not need to be around them.
2 Corinthians 5:20
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
Delores: That is all I wanted to hear. I knew the answer but you do not want your family to go to hell. Like Jesus said, do not throw pearls before swine.
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Bob: Again, it could be the type of thing, that when you are there, you can say. “Jesus is my life, so if you tell me to not talk about Him that is an impossibility. If you do not want me to talk about Him then just tell me to stay away from you.” Put the ball in their camp. “That is me and you do not like me then tell me to stay away. I will be more than happy to do that because, quite frankly, I do not like being around your foul mouth anyways.”
Delores: That is exactly what it is.
Delores: You sure helped me a whole lot. I appreciate it. Keep up the good work. Thank you very much.
Tecora from Pasadena, CA
Tecora: The reason I am calling is a statement you made in regard to the end time ministry. There is no need for prophets on this day.
Bob: There are no prophets on this day. You had apostles of Christ Jesus, a foundation built upon Chgrist and the apostles, then we have word of God, then it is pastor-teachers and evangelists.
Tecora: It also says in Ephesians, speaking concerning Christ when he ascended on high, when he was carried back into the heavens. He said that one who descended is the same one who ascended far above the heavens, and he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and some evangelists and some pastors and teachers. This is for the perfecting of the saints. If we are perfected already, then I just assume we would not need to have those teachers, prophets and apostles?
7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”[Psalm 68:18]
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Bob: You did not read that properly. The purpose of pastors, evangelists and teachers is to prepare people for works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach the unity of the faith and knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. You did not quite quote that right. The purpose of the original apostles was basically to ultimately get into print what we hold in our hands as the books of the bible. All of the New Testament had to be written by an apostle or an emanunisserant of an apostle. The prophets that were in existence on that day, they came forth with instruction from God. There were also a lot of false prophets as you can well imagine Tecora, when you have those types of things, people sitting around pretending to be something they are not.
27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
Bob: But to the evangelists and pastor-teachers, their work is to equip them for their work of ministry. The apostle asked Jesus, “What is the work of ministry?” He said to believe in me. In this American do-do society, a person would have said to Jesus again, “You did not understand my question.” “No, I understood your question. The work of the ministry is to believe in me.” What is the purpose of an evangelist? To get people to believe in Jesus. What is the purpose of a pastor or a teacher? To get people to learn how to believe and trust Jesus. That is how we are going to be built up in unity as we center on Christ on what He has done instead of us and what we are doing.
Bob: One of the problems we have in Christianity, is a person comes to Christ, and is immediately handed a stack full of tithing envelopes and are told to go get busy for Jesus, and we never learn what Jesus did for us. If we knew what Jesus accomplished, we would not need to tell people what to do. It would be quite natural to respond to Him. We get a convert thinking he is an initiator to God rather than a responder.
Bob: The apostles certainly are no longer. They are people who had to be with Jesus in Baptism and in the death, burial and resurrection. There is no need for a prophecy because everything God wants to reveal to us has been revealed in the word. But there is certainly still a need for evangelists and pastors.
Tecora: The perfecting of saints for work of ministry.
Bob: The perfection is to be made complete. To be made perfect is to be made complete. We become complete as we reach unity in faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God. That is how we mature.
Tecora: Okay, Bob. Thank you.
Bob: You are definitely welcome. Thanks for your call.
Carl from Atlanta, GA
Carl: I had a question on Colossians 2:13. He made us alive but then when we went to Romans, we read that Adam, we were born spiritually dead. How do you put those together?
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[a] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man [Adam], and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
1 Corinthians 15:22
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Bob: We are born dead, and when we come to Christ we are made alive. You have no life apart from coming to Christ Jesus for His resurrected life. That is the meaning of the resurrection. That is the purpose of the resurrection, to enable us to enter into His resurrected life with Him. Jesus said He came that you might have life. Why do you need life? You are dead.
Carl: Yes. Oh, okay.
Bob: Does that help, brother?
Carl: Yes. That was quick and easy.
Bob: Yes. That was quick and easy. You are born into this world forgiven but you are born dead. You are born under the consequence of sin called death, with a choice to receive life. When we receive life and put our faith in the one who gave us resurrected life, who is Christ and who alone can do that, then we become born again. What does it mean to be born again? To be born means to become alive, to become alive spiritually. How come you came alive? You were dead. You were born into this world dead with the ability to choose life.
Carl: Thank you, Bob. I thank you for that. God bless your show. Keep it going.
Bob: God bless you too, Carl.
Ken from Louisville, TX
Ken: I am making a comment about the seventh day. God did create light and darkness on the first day but He did not create the sun and the moon until after the plant life was created. So to wait a thousand years for photosynthesis to take place is a hard stretch. That does not make sense.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning – the first day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning – the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights – the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning – the fourth day.
Bob: I agree.
Ken: The other question I have, real quick, is what Russia is doing with Iran fulfilling Ezekiel 38. I hear preachers talking about that one. If Ariel Sharome comes out of the atonement and looks fully healed will that fulfill anything coming out of Revelation?
1 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshek and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshek and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army – your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops – the many nations with you.
7 “‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
10 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people – all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.” 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’
14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.
17 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel. At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’
Bob: First thing, I do not think he will come out of it. All prophecy is around Israel, this tiny country, at the center of world attention at all times. There is no explanation to that outside of God. The hornets nest is being stirred up over there with Palestinians and the Muslim community in southern Russia. It always talks about movement at end times is going to come down from Gog, which is basically Russia. I also think it also all the Muslim world coming down. This is a battle between Muslim and Christianity. The Muslim is not refined religion. The militant people have taken over. It will be the militant Muslim people that will be in Armageddon in my opinion, and that is where all the turmoil is and where the turmoil will remain. It seems we are in the end times. It is intensifying unbelievably Kenny, and you see no solution to it.
Ken: Yes. Thank you very much.
Bob: You are welcome, brother. Thanks for your call.
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