Call-In Classic Christianity Radio – Bob George P586 (11-06-20)
The topics that often come up among believers is what about repenting of your sins. Many people think sharing the gospel requires people to repent of all their sins. Other people think that the law is a support for a believer, like a guide to live by. We hear a lot of things in this world, but all those things we hear have to be tested with the word of God and through the Spirit of God, to test the truth of what is being said.
The truth of the matter is, none of us are born a Christian. We were all born lost, without the spirit of God living in us. We had to be born again. When we were lost, we were, by default under the law of sin and death. We had to be released from that law and set free in Christ. Under law, there is a punishment, otherwise the meaningless.
The punishment for sin, according to God, is the wages of sin is death. For God to be perfectly just, that punishment for sin had to be paid. That is just too great a price for any man to pay. But Jesus, being God, having no sin of His own, could willingly lay down His life to meet the demands of the law for us. That is exactly what He did. He fulfilled the law. He did not support the law as if that is a means for us to live by that. No, we died to the law so we could live for God, having His life in us to be lived by faith.
See, God, knowing our condition of death, yet so perfectly merciful and loving, did something for us we could never do for ourselves. He sent Jesus, God Himself, wrapped in flesh, to die in order to rise again. He died to take away the consequence of sin, which is death, that which separated us from God, in order to give us what we really need, His resurrected life living in us. When you have the very life of God placed in you, then you are said to be born again.
So then, when Jesus died, how many of your sins were in the future when he died? All of them. Will he ever die again to take the punishment of sin, which is death? Will he ever do that again? No. It is finished. It is over. So then, is it faith to ask God to forgive you of your sins? No. They already are. Is it faith to say that you must do this or that to be pleasing to God? No. It is your faith that pleases God, and that faith expresses itself through love.
Does it make sense to live under a law that can only condemn you to death, that can only tell you that you are a sinner, but has no power to make you right before God? When you are born again, you are no longer under the law, but under grace. You are led internally by God, and are free from the punishment of sin, which is death. You are free to come to God, to trust Him. What has God given you, that you may live? The law? No. Himself, living in you. The letter for the law kills, but the Spirit gives life. The very life of God living in you, that is your internal source of power to live a new life, a life of love, and God is love, and you access Him. With the love of God in your heart, and love does it’s neighbor no wrong, and you have access to God through a renewing of your mind, then what kind of life will you be living? God’s life. So the law is not your guide or counselor. Jesus in you, your only hope of glory, is.
So listen now as Bob shares truth with people to help them grasp these concepts of law versus grace, and to not commingle the two, the Old Covenant versus the New Covenant, and to lay ahold of the new life in Christ Jesus, and how not to be deceived by the cunning, trickery and outward appearance of men, nice-sounding and maybe even well-meaning, but deceived and lost themselves. Listen as Bob shares the deception of the Jehovah Witness teaching, that is antichrist teaching, going out of their way to deceive people that Jesus is not God. Jesus is God, not a god as the Jehovah Witnesses have changed their bible to say. Scriptures teach us that Jesus is God and is the way, the truth and the life. He reveals truth to us through His word by His Spirit who lives in us, if we are born again, so we are not tossed and turned by every wind of doctrine.
Noel from Corpus Christie, TX
Noel: I love you. I listen to you every day. I appreciate you taking my call. The question I have is this. Jesus says if someone slaps you on the left cheek, give him the right cheek also. I understand the humility spirit, but I also understand you would need to be kind of crazy not to defend yourself in case someone might hurt you. But I also know if you walk in the Spirit, you can do all things through Christ who strengthens me so you can fulfill the will of the Father. So anytime you are angry, then you are not working in the righteousness of God. In my spirit, I think Jesus meant that literally.
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
Bob: He also meant literally when he said to you, “Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.” Try that one on for size. Jesus also said, “The law says, ‘do not commit adultery’, but I say if you look at someone with lust in your heart, you already committed adultery.” Try that one on for size. “And if you have committed adultery, pluck your eye out”, and get your seeing eye dog ready.
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
47 And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell
Bob: In other words, the teachings of Christ was to prepare us for the cross. With his teaching, if it did not show you, “I cannot do that”, then you are not prepared for the cross. Everything Jesus said was impossible for you and me but absolutely, not only possible for him, it was His life. But it wasn’t mine.
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[Exodus 20:12-16; Deuteronomy 5:16-20] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[Leviticus 19:18]”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Bob: So the issue is that his teaching was showing you what pure righteousness was from His standpoint, and saying “go ahead and do that.” I say, “Lord, I can’t do that.” He says, “Now you are ready for the cross. Now you are ready.”
Bob: All of his work here on earth was preparatory. He had to prepare our hearts for the cross and the resurrection. He had to show us we are sinners. Many of the Jewish people did not think they were sinners. “We obey the law. I obey all of the law.” “Good, go sell everything you have and follow me.” He could not do that. What did it show him? It showed him where his heart was.
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Bob: The law shows exterior actions. Jesus came to show us what is going on under the skin. When He deals with the heart, it reveals that the heart is deceitful and wicked and who could know it.
9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
Bob: Now you are ready for the cross. That is what shows salvation through Christ and not through yourself. Paul said he found himself with righteousness not of my own, thank God, but a righteousness that comes through Christ Jesus.
8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ – the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.
Bob: His own inadequacy in living up to the standards, not only of Christ, but the law, is what prepared him for the cross.
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[Exodus 20:17; Deuteronomy 5:21] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.
Bob: So we do not know what we would do until we are in that circumstance. We cannot sit around and engage if I will do that or not. I may knock your head off. On the other hand, the Holy Spirit is working in my life, so I might be able to turn the cheek. It depends on where I am walking. But, as a lost person, one way or the other, it is going to show you where you are, and prepare you for the cross.
Noel: Yes sir.
Bob: See, everything Jesus said is impossible. Take the sermon on the mount (Matthew 5). Are you going to believe that you can do what He said there. The ten commandments are enough (Exodus 20). Try that one out.
Noel: I cannot do it.
Bob: James says if you violate the least of these commandments, you violated all of them.
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Bob: How are you going to live up to that one? Now you are prepared for the cross. I have now come to a conclusion. “I cannot.” Jesus is there saying, “I did” and now we are ready for salvation.
Noel: One other quick thing because I totally agree with 99.9 percent of your teaching. I really like that explanation that you gave yesterday when you were talking about those teaching predestination. I heard preachers that I did not sit well with my spirit. I went with what you said because you do have a choice and the choices you make is what lends you in a better predicament, if you make right choices. Bob, I just appreciate you taking my call, man. I thank you for your ministry and your teaching. I just never heard anybody quite put it the way you put it. You break it down that even a child can understand.
Bob: I appreciate that brother. It certainly has been my desire since coming to Christ to be able to communicate these truths so a small child can understand them. I think that is the way Christ taught. We can sit around with somebody and talk for 10 minutes and you do not have a clue what he is saying. You like the way he said it. He sounded intelligent. He did not know what he was talking about and neither do you.
Noel: (Laughter) Yes sir.
1 Corinthians 2:1
1 And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.
Bob: I appreciate your call.
Noel: You are in my prayers. God bless you. Keep up faith strong and in the follow of His might.
Bob: Thank you so much, Noel. God bless you, my friend. See you later. Bye. Bye.
Bob from Indianapolis, IN
Caller: Thank you for hearing me out. I got two questions here. As a Christian and as a believer in Christ and born again, it is still important we read the Old Testament, even though it is the Old Covenant under the law versus the New Covenant through Christ after his death through God’s grace. So we should still apply the whole bible.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.
Bob: Do not put “should” or any of that on that. You do not live under an Old Covenant anymore. You live under a New Covenant. It is not that we should or we ought to. The issue is you can live the Christian life quite well without even knowing what was in the Old Covenant if you knew what was in the New Covenant.
Caller: Our pastor keeps teaching both under the Old and the New Covenant. Is that correct? Should we only teach under a New Covenant?
Bob: As long as he puts it under the context of “this is the old and these are not doctrinal issues under the New Covenant, and that God is still not judging sin.” If you read the Old Covenant, what you will see is a God who is full of wrath. That is what you see in the Old Testament, a God full of wrath and angry with His people. There is nothing wrong with using stories for illustration purposes, but just do not use them for doctrinal purposes. For example, how are you going to teach Trinity out of the Old Testament? How are you going to teach total forgiveness of sins out of the Old Testament? How are you going to teach new life in Christ out of the Old Testament? How are you going to teach how to live the Christian life in the Old Testament? There was no Christian life in the Old Testament.
Caller: Was anybody then all under the Old Testament, non-believers while under law and ruled by grace?
3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Bob: Well, it says that Abraham believed God. What did he believe? He believed in the resurrection. He believed the Messiah was coming. And it was credited to him as righteousness.
17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[Genesis 21:12] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
Bob: Credited to somebody. In essence, God said to him, “I credited to your account, but it has not been paid for. ” They were saved but not like we are saved today. Today we are permanently saved and permanently indwelt by the Spirit of God. There was no such thing in the Old Testament. If it was, then Pentecost was a joke. There would be no need for it. The cross and resurrection would also have been a joke. We would not need the burial, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ if the Old Testament was applicable to salvation. The issue is, Bob, what we have to do. So many times, if we do not understand that, we confuse people by commingling the old with the new. You have to put the old in its proper perspective. We are no longer under the law.
Romans 10:4 (NASB)
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Bob: The Old Covenant is Old Covenant. And it says it should be obsolete and soon disappear.
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Bob: In other words, you do not live by it. It is great history but you do not live by it.
Caller: I have a good friend and he made a comment. “I am not here to destroy the law but I am here to support it.”
Bob: No. No. To fulfill it. Not to support it. And he did.
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Caller: But there is one problem. Once Christ died, we were released from under that law. We are under grace. So we are not under law. He said, “No. No. He came to support it.”
Bob: You keep using the word “support”. That is a misuse of scripture. He did not say supporting it. He came to fulfill it. He fulfilled it.
Caller: I understand. Fulfill, not support.
Bob: Jesus said, “I did not come to abolish the law or the prophets but to fulfill them.” And he did.
Caller: I got it.
Bob: That is why Romans says.
Romans 10:4 (NASB)
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Bob: If you are under the law, you are, according to Jesus, under a curse.
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Bob: There is no one righteous under the law.
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”
Bob: There is no justification under the law.
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
Bob: There is no life in the law.
Bob: If you are under something, it will not do anything for you, but kill you. For a person like that, if you are under the law, you are under the curse of the law, which means you are not saved yet.
Caller: Would it be safe to say, whether believe in Christ or not, you are a sinner, and we are all under grace?
Bob: Not the lost. The lost is still under law. The saved is released from the law.
6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
1 Timothy 1:9
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
Bob: The law is not for the righteous but for the unrighteous.
Caller: Oh, okay.
Bob: The lost is under the law and under the consequence of the law. You cannot separate a law from the penalty of the law. If you do, your law means nothing to you. So if you are still under law then you are under the punishment of the law, which is the wages of sin is death.
23 For the wages of sin is death
Bob: That is why it says under a curse when under law. What curse are you under? Under the curse that says the wages of sin is death. You are still under the death penalty. So a person who says “I am saved but I am still under law” is a lie. So you are either saved and released from law or think you are saved, then you are still under law, and if you are, you are under the curse of the law.
Caller: Thank you very much. You cleared up the questions I had for the last couple of years. God bless all you guys.
Bob: Same to you, brother. Give all the people back in Newtown our love.
Bob: Bye. Bye.
Larry from Balk Springs, TX
Larry: I really appreciate you guys. I like to pick your mind a little bit on something. I try to be delicate here because there is a third party involved. About repentance. A certain teacher I listen to opens his teaching with “forgive us our sins”. I kind of challenged him on that a few years ago. I got an answer I did not understand so I left it alone. I got a letter. I responded again asking why. There was an exchange of emails. He came back with an answer. “My way leads to a life of repentance which is the source of the Christian’s power. Your way can but won’t necessarily lead to self righteousness and presumption, which can be so dangerous to a Christian.” That leads me wondering. I want to be sure I was threading on right ground, when talking about repentance. He is talking about repentance from the nasty nine and the dirty dozen.
Bob: Well, if he repented, then he would not be doing it again.
Larry: That is right.
Bob: You see, the issue is, there is no sin that you repent of that you could not do again, that I know of. That is why repentance does not have to do with sins. It has to do with what Jesus identified, the world’s sin.
John 16:9 (TLB)
9 The world’s sin is unbelief in me
Bob: If that is the world’s sin, then that is sin that must be repented of by the world. And if the world’s sin is unbelief in Him, then the universal worldwide repentance is becoming a child of God, by repenting of your sin, of your sin of unbelief and repenting of your unbelief.
Bob: No one is born into this world a Christian. So repenting of that and becoming a child of God. If you do not repent, or in other words, if you say “I repented of smoking and started again”, what would you say to such a person? You never repented then. You never changed your mind or you would never have started again. If I used to drink and then I started again, then you never repented to begin with. You would have to say that. What you did was not a repentance. It was just a reprieve.
1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
Bob: That is why it says the people went out from among us for they were never a part of us. They never repented. You could never go out if you had never truly come all the way with Christ. You became a professor but not a possessor. But if you have repented totally of your unbelief, repented totally of the fact of your total self-sufficiency for your salvation, repented totally of the fact that you are dead and now you want His life living in you, then there is no turning away from that. There is no way to turn away from that because you are a child of God. That is true repentance.
Bob: What he is talking about, if anyone can understand what he said. I do not know if he understood what he said. His way and our way is not the issue at all. What he is saying is what pleases God is unbelief. If I keep asking Him to do what He has said to do, is that faith? No. What does it say about faith?
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Bob: So his theology is encouraging people to live in a displeasing way to God, if you are not going to walk by faith in what He accomplished. There are a lot of hard heads out there. There are a lot of people who think they are pleasing to God. Quite frankly, they are making God sick at the stomach.
Larry: It makes me feel better to confess my sins.
Bob: Well, to make you feel better, you have to hang Him on a cross for me to feel good. Think how good you would feel if you recognize you are a forgiven person. That ought to make you feel, but your ego wants you to get into the equation.
29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Larry: The victory over sin is to realize your sins are forgiven. That is the victory that will cut out on your sinning.
Bob: The goal of the Christian life is to not quit sinning. The goal of the Christian life is to start trusting.
Bob: I tell people, “you can either pull weeds the rest of your life or grow grass. What should be the goal of good horticulture? Pulling weeds or growing grass?
Bob: One person says, “pulling weeds, to get those suckers out of my lawn.” But if you grew healthy grass, you would not have any weeds. Healthy grass would choke them out.
Larry: I appreciate your feedback. His last email says we have taken different roads.
Bob: So I would say to him, “You have already taken a road of unbelief, for you are not believing what Jesus said when he said “it is finished”.
30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Bob: You are not believing it is paid in full by continuing to ask for what Jesus said is paid in full. So do not tell me I am on the wrong road. You are on the wrong road, brother.”
Larry: He says we have taken different roads.
Bob: “And your road is a road that is not pleasing to God because you are not functioning by faith.” And I would tell him that.
Larry: Yes. But I think he has gone to the point now where he will not respond anymore.
Bob: But you might shock him. Sometimes you have a need to hit a mule on the back of the head with a two-by-four to get his attention.
Larry: Yes. I understand.
Bob: Okay. Good to talk to you. Bye.
Elkie from Snellville, GA
Elkie: I am in school, working on my doctor degree. My classmate happens to be a Jehovah Witness. We have been in class together almost a year, and every little thing is Jehovah this and Jehovah that. I notice that when we drive down together, she is starting to put a bible on my side. I was always curious how different the bibles were. I took a peek one time and it seems to be the same. I was wondering what is so different about what their beliefs are? They are always knocking on my door. How do I handle that situation? I could easily take my People to People CD and pop them in my car.
1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist – denying the Father and the Son.
Bob: Yes, you might do that. People need help. They are what is called an antichrist. I do not care how nice people are. The bible calls them antichrist. Anyone who spends their life trying to convince Jesus is not God is an antichrist. They are practicing the doctrine of antichrist. Their founders tried to rewrite their own bible. As an example, in John, where “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was God”, they translated the “Word was a God”.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Bob: Yes, so he went and put his own translation in there. The problem with that is it defies their very doctrine. What they stand on is there is only one God, none before and none after. How then could there be a big God and a little God? So it is idiotic theology they have come up with. It is all for the purpose of denying the Deity of Christ. People like that I have no use for. I can love them as a person but I hate their doctrine because it is a doctrine of trying to discredit who God is. So do not tell me you know God when you do not know who he is.
Bob: Another thing I have found with them is that I got them in my house to get them off the street for an hour. Then at the end of that, to ask them to pray. They will not pray with you. They do not know how to pray. Do not be deceived by nice-appearing people. There are a lot of nice-appearing people in cults. This is one of them.
2 John 7
7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Bob: If she is driving in my car, she would be hearing some tapes.
Elkie: Laughter. Well, I see you guys, you are coming to Atlanta. I will try to bring her down there with me.
Bob: It would be very helpful. She needs to get into truth. The poor thing has been deceived by people who say come get into the bible. They take you and then deceive you into that teaching. People do not know they are being deceived.
Elkie: On the flip side, they say your bible is not true. What do I say?
Bob: In other words, this nitwit, who started Jehovah Witness, has written a better bible than you have written in our hands. Take a look at people who started that thing. They are all a bunch of scoundrels, saying “Your bible”. There is no “my bible” and “your bible”. There is only one bible and it is written in Greek. And in the Greek language, it is not “a god”. In other words, they have a translation just like you have a translation. The difference is your bible has been translated from the Greek manuscripts and their bible is translated from somebody switching it around and making it say what they want it to say.
Bob: They are the ones that started out with saying that only 144,000 people can be saved. That lasted until their membership exceeded 144,000. So then they changed it. Then they got a date for when Jesus will come back. That date passes, so then they put another date on it. It is a group of people who have decided to follow a deceiver.
Elkie: That makes me say that your ministry is so valuable. It is just those little things we just do not know or understand.
Bob: That they say Jesus is not God, then they are an antichrist according to scripture.
Elkie: Wow. Okay. Thanks. Bye.
Justin from Vancouver, British, Columbia
Justin: People who are more somber. I am aware there are different seasons in life to be this way. What are your thoughts or opinions on people who are just generally somber all around, who find comfort and warmth in that?
1 Thessalonians 4:11
11and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you,
Bob: I do not think anything of it, Justin. I just live by verses in the scripture that says “lead a quiet life and mind your own business”. Everyone is different. There are some excitable people who drive me more crazy than a somber person. Just let people be as they are. And make sure they are not somber because they are lost.
Justin: Can I give you a quick small example of something. You know who Johnny Cash is? The last songs he made were about hurts he covered. It was pretty depressing. It was the last one he did before he died. That is what I mean. Is that human nature? Did he know who the Lord was?
1 My heart is not proud, Lord, my eyes are not haughty; I do not concern myself with great matters or things too wonderful for me. 2 But I have calmed and quieted myself, I am like a weaned child with its mother; like a weaned child I am content.
Bob: I do not know, Justin. I do not try to figure those things out. You have people who are saddened because of circumstances of life or whatever it might be. That is why we need our mind renewed. I do not pay attention to that. I would go crazy if I tried to figure people out all the time. I cannot even figure me out, let alone them. Just let people be as they are and recognize there is a place for all of us.
Bob: Okay, pal?
Justin: Yes. Thanks.