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Goodbye Is Not Forever

~ “Now we are confident and are pleased rather to be absent out of the body, and to be at home with the Lord.” 2 Corinthians 5:8

The Truth of the Word of God is someday we will get to see our loved ones in Christ Jesus. And remember, to be absent from the body and be present with the Lord is what we ALL have to look forward to for those who have the Holy Spirit of God living in them. Listen in to today’s show, where Bob and Amy George share some things with a man who is grieving the loss of a spouse.

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John 6:28,29

28 Therefore they said to Him, “What must we do, that we may be doing the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you should believe in Him whom He has sent.”

Behold Jesus, the Lamb of God Who Took Away the Sins of the World and the World

Lord Jesus, teach me the TRUTH of the world we live in today and the Truth of You

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Bob George’s radio show featured callers discussing personal struggles and seeking biblical insights. Gary from Boynton Beach shared his grief over his wife’s death, and Bob and Amy George reassured him that his grief is normal and temporary, emphasizing the hope of reunion in heaven. Jay from Orange County discussed a conversation with a homosexual friend, seeking to explain why certain biblical laws are still relevant. Bob clarified that the gospel addresses the sin of unbelief in Jesus. Robert from Ontario questioned the completeness of Christ’s sacrifice, and Bob affirmed that Jesus took away the sins of the world. Don from Illinois sought clarification on the virgin birth, and Bob explained the genealogies in Matthew and Luke.

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Bob George 0:48
We’re going to go to Boynton Beach, Florida. I wish I could. And listening on W, l, B, J, Gary, you’re on the air.

Caller 1 0:55
Oh, yes, good evening.

Bob George 0:56
Hi, Gary.

Caller 1 0:57
Your wife is there tonight?

Bob George 0:58
Yes, she is.

Amy George 0:59
Hi, Gary.

Caller 1 1:00
Well hi, Amy, about I guess was it four years ago you were at the Harvey hotel in Atlanta. Was it? Yes, remember that? I know you go so many places. Actually, my wife and I met you there, one of the conference at the Classic Christianity at that place in Atlanta. Yes, yeah, cuz we were living there then, and I’m now back in Florida, and I had called you probably six to eight months ago, and at that time, it had only been about a year since my wife passed due to cancer. And I know that, you know, I believe me, I know both of your stories pretty well, and I happen to be there that night that your your mom passed when you were in Miami. Oh, yes, I remember that. Yes, yeah. And I’m just trying to say that why I call tonight is I’ve been having maybe it’s more than normal, I don’t know. And then with the suffering that your wife went through, and the different problems you had, like with your dad when he was sick and I lost a dad through cancer, now my wife overcame those things. I’m just not overcoming the death of Melissa, very well to this point, Bob, to be honest with you, I don’t see, you know the reason to wake up tomorrow, and I’ve been doing it. I mean, you know, and I’m staying here with Christian friends who have been very sweet to me, and people have basically prop me up. Bob, yes, and I’m starting to feel like, almost like a counterfeit Christian, I don’t know.

Bob George 2:23
Well, Gary, don’t, don’t even entertain that thought, because grief for a year is not really a long grief period at all. With the loss of someone that you loved more than life itself. How long were you married together? Just about 35 years. 35 years. Well, how in the world are you going to be with someone for 35 years and lose them and not experience grief. I don’t think it’s unusual at all for you to be grieving over the loss of your wife. You miss her, and because you miss her, you’re going to be grieving. The only thing that is going to control that grief, not take it away right away, but to control it is the awareness of where she is. And you know that I believe that, and knowing that she is in the presence of God, you have to realize that as much as you miss her, I would guarantee you that if you could bring her back, as much as you would like to have her back, knowing where she is and knowing where you are, I don’t think you’d do it even as much as you miss her. I don’t think you would bring her out of the presence of God and into the happiness that she’s experiencing in order to come back into this pit that we live in. And so what we have to do Gary is kind of have that attitude of Amy’s book title, goodbyes, not forever. That’s true, and it is a temporary loss, just like it was a temporary time of being married, and the loss is going to be again, you’re going to be together again. So it’s temporary, and that those things will cover and and calm the grief, not take it away. I think time is ultimately what takes away a lot of the grief. Gary and you haven’t had enough time for that well, you know, so don’t feel like a don’t get feeling like that. You should be walking around and being happy as a lark that your wife is gone, because that’s just not the case when you talked about and the experience that I had with my mom in Florida, when I was there and given a lecture and mom died, I got that phone call and it I really was rejoicing, and the reason for it is, by then, my Mom was 86 years of age, I think it was she was ravished with Parkinson’s disease in a hospital, in a nursing home, down to probably 85 pounds. And my prayer every time I left mom and I would go to my car and weep almost on. Controllably, but my prayer was, Lord for goodness sakes, take my mom home. Get her out of here, take her home. So when the Lord took her home, I was joyful because of my mom’s condition, and so that had a lot to do with, I’m sure, the attitude that possibly you saw that evening. But if that would be my wife today, I don’t think I would be praying in the same way. I think that I would be acknowledging the fact and thanking God for the years that we were together. But it would be a different response, because I would miss her horribly, and I would have a grief period just like you.

Caller 1 5:41
Well you know, it’s not unusual. I mean, it’s odd, because I remember one night, oh, a couple years ago, you were talking one night about how it could be you first, yeah, and I never forgot that, you know, and I didn’t think it was gonna happen to me, right? When we were at the Harvey hotel, my wife spoke to your wife, and at that time, her parents were not receptive to hearing the gospel, and she your wife counsel. My wife said, Never be ashamed or not not ashamed, but never let the fact that it’s your family come between you and telling them the truth about Christ. Yes, her people were church people, her parents, right? And but they were not there. I don’t know if they’re really Christian. I said before a counterfeit Christian. The reason I’m saying that is because I’m going Apostle Paul said we would not have you ignorant brethren concerning those who fall asleep. And I do believe that and then, but I’m not acting as as if I believe it, and that’s why I’m just sort of wandering in the valley here.

Bob George 6:33
Well, you certainly, Gary, believe that your wife is absent from the body and present with the Lord. Yes, i right. So that’s what Paul was talking about. What you’re what you’re talking about is your response to the loss of your wife. And that’s a, that’s a response to be grieving over someone that you loved is not unusual at all. And so you need to bury that thought that Satan putting that in your mind.

Caller 1 6:58
Yeah, because the feeling is, I’m, I’d like to be absent of the body person.

Bob George 7:01
Absolutely so, that’s Satan putting in your mind that you’re, you know, kind of a second rate Christian because of grieving for your wife. That’s ridiculous, but I will say that time is going to cure a lot of that. You found that out with your mom, didn’t you?

Amy George 7:14
I definitely did carry and you know my mom, you know what she was about, the dearest human being that I have known in my whole life, because she saw us through horrendous times and kept us from starving and kept us from being, you know, killed and all this. And when my mom died, and I got it through a phone call, my sister had left a message that mom had died. I came back from work, and when I heard that there was no one in the house, and I it was, I almost felt like orphaned. It’s a funny feeling. It’s it’s almost, Mom, why did you leave me? And so you go through that grief, and you almost cry by yourself walking through the house, and then the words of God come, and it’s like the words that I had never read before in the Bible, but it’s God says to me, you know, like impresses on you, it has to be so, it has to be so someone has to cross over from here to into His presence. And you know, when I heard those words, it has to be so somehow it calm my heart, and in a way, I was rejoicing that my mom has already made it. She made it to the other side. How exciting. It’s like someone a runner, hits the goal and gets the medal.

Caller 1 8:38
It’s a part of me that feels that way too. I’m not.

Amy George 8:40
Yes, so there’s also part of the joy, and I think the important thing is to keep our mind constant in the promises of God, and stand firm and grasp on to Him with all your might, and he will walk you through it.

Caller 1 8:55
Well thank you, Amy, because I was really hoping I could talk to you tonight, because we actually were in your presence at one time.

Amy George 9:01
Yes, well, thank you for calling.

Bob George 9:03
Well Gary, our hearts are certainly go out to you in this, in this grief time, but again to realize it’s not unusual for you to be grieving over the loss of your wife, and not at all. And so I think that, you know, again, we get these ideas, well, I’m not a good Christian, because I’m grieving over the loss of my wife, and nothing could be further from the truth. And so go through this period that you that is a grief period that you’re going to go through. Keep your eyes rejoicing in the fact where she is, and with the total assurance that you have that goodbye is not forever, and that one of these days, you’ll be in her presence again, you know. And in the meantime, why you can serve the Lord.

Caller 1 9:46
It must have been hard for Amy’s father when he went back to Russia. I can only imagine.

Bob George 9:52
Yeah, hardest thing that I’ve ever seen anybody go through in my life.

Caller 1 9:55
I’ve read all of your books. And the thing is, I’m going, you know, I’m living. Under my circumstances, instead of above them. I don’t really, like, really feel like I have faith that pleases God, you know, and I’m going, it’s one thing to read these books is another thing to actually put them into practice. What’s truth, right? And what you’re a great one on truth versus error. And I know here I am someone that actually told this and had Bible studies my own home. Dion came by the couple of times we had our home in Boynton, right remember him? Sure do. And anyway, the point being, I’m at the friend’s house right now who basically were propping me up along with a local Bible study. But I’m just trying to say that comparative grief, it, believe me, what you guys went through, versus me, it seems like I should have a walk in the park. It still stinks.

Bob George 10:42
Yeah, not really Gary. Everyone is individual on that type of thing. And again, you had a very close relationship with your wife, and you miss her, and there’s nothing if you didn’t miss her, I think there’s something wrong with you, yeah, so continue to get those other thoughts out of your head, because they’re not coming from the Lord, and continue to rejoice in the years that you did have her, and with the full assurance of the fact that you’re going to be with her again someday.

Caller 1 11:07
Well, I wish you both many, many, many more years, just as I do the couple that I’m staying with and, well, leave me when you lose somebody, it hurts. And I want to thank Ed Hecht, who sent me the tapes on depression, which I, yeah, I started to, you know, started a few months ago, then I sort of put them down. And I think I I need to really complete.

Bob George 11:27
You need to get those back up again. That’s gonna help you. Thank you. Amy,

Amy George 11:28
Gary, try to come to one of our conferences soon, if you can.

Caller 1 11:30
Well, that would be nice. That’d be really,

Amy George 11:32
Yes. Would be wonderful.

Caller 1 11:33
Yeah.

Bob George 11:33
Well, Gary, keep in touch with us, my brother and and you know you’re, you’re in the Lord’s hands, and just stay there. Thank you. Okay, my friend, Bye. Bye.

Let’s go to Orange County, California, listening on K Bright Jane, you’re on the air. How you doing Jane?

Caller 2 11:52
Hi, I’m fine. I got into a long discussion with an old friend of mine who actually is a homosexual, and he brought up some points that I didn’t know really how to argue, which were, why is it that we hang on to certain parts of the Bible, such as, it’s wrong to be a homosexual, but do not hold on to other parts of the Bible, such as, I think it’s I think you said something about Selling your daughter into slavery, or eating shellfish, or how to a non believer? Do you explain why some parts we hang on to and some we don’t?

Bob George 12:29
Jane in the first place, you’re talking to a person that is unregenerated, and it says that a natural man cannot understand spiritual things. You can. They can understand worldly things, but they can’t understand spiritual things, precisely why they come up with those kind of questions. If they were born again, they wouldn’t be asking those kind of questions. It’s just the fact that they’re not born again, and because they’re unregenerate, they’re trying to explain. They’re trying to get an explanation on something that if you gave them an explanation, they probably couldn’t understand it. But here’s the key, and I believe the simplicity of this Jane is you’re able to get through to the unregenerate person. Is my friend that Jesus said that the world’s sin is unbelief in me, the sins of the world, including your homosexuality, has been put behind the back of God never to see it again. No man will ever go to hell because of his sins, only the sin of the rejection of the provision of the Son of God who came to take away the sins of the world from the eyes of God and through His resurrection, to be able to give resurrected life to those of us who are born dead spiritually, that’s the explanation the world’s sin is unbelief in Jesus, and so there’s no contradiction to that being to explain to him fully, you’d have to get into New Covenant and Old Covenant and all that type of thing. I don’t think he can understand it, but I think what I just said he could understand, and that’s where I would hang into Jane is here’s what the gospel is, my friend, the sins that you and I have committed, and do commit every day, have been placed behind the back of God never to see them again. Take them away from the eyes of God. He did so eternally, so that raised from the dead, you and I could experience resurrected life and come alive spiritually. Because our sin and our problem, the wages of sin is death. There’s our problem and his solution is eternal life. Jane, we have to take a break. I hope that helps.

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Bob George 14:48
Let’s go to Ontario, California. Listening on Cape Wright, Robert, you’re on the air. Hi,

Caller 3 14:52
Bob, thanks for taking my call. You’re welcome, Robert. I have a couple of sentences from from the saving life of Christ. By Ian Thomas, and well, here they go. He is the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world, and only those who are sheltered beneath his shed blood can ever escape the final of judgment that God, in His holiness, must execute upon sin and the sinful seed of Adam, on Friday, you said that if you don’t, if your Jesus isn’t the Jesus that took away the sins of the world, then he’s not Jesus. And I assume the man Jesus of the Bible, in light of that, can you explain? I mean, I don’t want to misunderstand what you’re saying, and so I have this quote, and I’d really like to hear your take on it?

Bob George 15:43
Well, I don’t see anything contrary at all between what we teach, because major Thomas and I teach the very same message in regard to what salvation is. Then science to see anything different on that, that until a person comes to by faith, in the fact that Jesus Christ took away the sins of the world. He did not come and die for some sins. He came to die for all sins, not only our sins, we’re told, but the sins of the whole world, that includes everybody. That that was a eternal act of forgiveness, Robert, that God had to do in order to offer you and me eternal life in His resurrection. So that’s how salvation is, death, burial and resurrection, all three of those are necessary to experience and understand, I believe, to fully understand your salvation. It’s not for me to determine what God accepts and what he doesn’t accept. But I do know that he doesn’t accept lies. And to think that Jesus died for some sin instead of all sins is a lie. And I just don’t believe that you’re going to come to Christ by believing a lie. And so with both of us, Major Thomas and ourselves, which is not really the issue. The issue is what the Bible says. But we’re both teaching we were David, Thomas is with the Lord now, but we’re teaching very, very clearly that the completeness of the Cross had to be done in order to usher in eternal life to the lost. So we’re not in contradiction on that at all. Robert.

Caller 3 17:22
Okay. I Okay. But what about the statement that God in His Holiness must or the final judgment that God in His Holiness must execute upon sin and the sinful seed of Adam? That part that’s yet to come for those who are no,

Bob George 17:41
I don’t know that’s what, again, we were quoting from a man, and I don’t know what major Thomas had in mind when he wrote that. Really doesn’t make much difference. The issue is, what’s the Bible teach? So, I mean, a person can write something in a book and and that is but we don’t understand what they were trying to get at. As a matter of fact, many times, I think in our literature, Robert, we probably misinterpret what a person is getting at. I don’t know what he meant for sure on that statement, but again, even with that statement, I don’t see anything contradictory at all. Not talking about a final judgment. He’s talking about the judgment for our sin, which was made at the cross. The cross is where judgment was made for my sin, and the cross is where the punishment was paid for my sin. It was made for it and paid for it. And so if Major Thomas, in that statement is saying something that sounds different than that, he was certainly wasn’t meaning it. I know what Major Thomas believed and and so I can’t misinterpret his readings, because I know what he believed. And I believe me. He believed in the finality of the cross. I believe that too. Yeah, okay, Robert, good to talk to you, my brother. Thanks, Rob. Bless Bye. Bye. Well, let’s go to Robo Ville, Illinois, listening on W, A, U, R, Don, you’re on the air. Hi,

Caller 4 19:00
Don. Well, I only started listening to your broadcast yesterday, as a matter of fact, and I want to begin by saying that I am a Christian, and I thank the Lord for saving my soul. I have a relationship with Jesus Christ in spite of myself,

Bob George 19:19
Join the crowd, brother, yeah,

Speaker 4 19:21
Sinner, saved by grace. My mom and dad used to say, I would like to also say that I firmly believe that there is no sin, s i n in cynicism, and that all having been said, I’m looking at the first chapter of Matthew, verse one were and King James version where it says the book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, son of Abraham. Then goes into the explicit genealogies of Joseph, yes, okay, dropping down to the 16 verse, it said it says that Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary comma, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. And in the 18th verse, where it says, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Now, sounding very cynical, I’m sure. I don’t mean to be, but I’m very confused about this issue of the virgin birth. First of all, if, and I believe it is true that Christ was born of an immaculate conception. What does the genealogy of Joseph have to do with the genealogy? Yes of Jesus Christ?

Bob George 20:55
Well, that’s a good question. I don’t think you’re being cynical at all on this type of thing. I think these are legitimate questions it had. But what it is, it’s tracing the lineage of Joseph into the legal heir to Israel’s throne, that the Messiah had to come out of David’s bloodline, and that’s why, like in Mary’s genealogy, that you have any other chapters or any other books of the Bible, the other book of the Bible traces back to Adam through Mary’s line, that Joseph line only goes to Abraham, because that was really where the HEBREW people came from, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and so it didn’t have to go back. It was merely tracing the genealogy of the lineage of the Father, which was a necessity to be heir to Israel’s throne. So it all, it all has to do with Israel.

Caller 4 21:45
But then why isn’t there any explanation there of Mary’s genealogy?

Bob George 21:50
Well that’s, that’s over in the next book, and that’s, you see, you haven’t, you haven’t gone far enough yet. Okay, yeah, you need to go. You’ll go over into the next book, and there you’ll find the genealogy of Mary. So Mary’s genealogy is certainly all the way through the scriptures on that and but Matthew starts off where it needs to start off, and that’s with the throne of Israel, which had to be stated, because the Messiah had to come out of David’s bloodline.

Caller 4 22:20
But he didn’t. He came he.

Bob George 22:23
No it didn’t make any difference whether it was a natural birth or not. It just whoever the father was that is a part of the bloodline. That’s just all a part of HEBREW law. Over in the third chapter of Luke, is where you’ll find the genealogy of Mary. And so if you’ll read through there, I think that’ll help you Don.

Caller 4 22:41
Okay

Bob George 22:42
Okay, my brother

Caller 4 22:43
I’ll look into that and have another question for good. Then I call.

Bob George 22:46
You call anytime, pal.

Caller 4 22:48
Thank you very much. Okay, bless you.

Bob George 22:49
Bye, bye. Now, hey, listen to keep right, Joe. You’re on the air. Hi. How you doing good? Doing good, Joe, thank you.

Caller 5 22:59
In our Bible study, someone brought out that. Jesus said that you none of the law will change, not one of the law will change. Yet the definition, for example, of divorce, Jesus did change that. He said, If you divorce or anything other than adultery, then that is sin, and that is,

Bob George 23:32
Yeah, I think I got the exit. Here’s the deal. If you are in Christ Jesus, then it says the law has been annihilated, the law. You are no longer under the law because you now are indwelt by the Spirit of God, whose role is to lead you into all truth. The Spirit of God that came to live in you brought with him the righteousness of Christ, Jesus, so that you are clothed in the righteousness of Christ. Jesus. Why do I need Christ’s righteousness? Because in Galatians, 221, I don’t set aside the grace of God. If righteousness could be gained through the law, then Christ died for nothing. The law could never give a man righteousness. No one will ever be declared righteous or justified in the sight of God through obedience to the law, the law cannot give life for a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. The law cannot do anything for man except show him his sinfulness and the consequence of sin, which is death. That’s good. That’s what the law is there to do, show me my condition which prepares me for God’s provision. That’s what prepares you for the cross. If I don’t recognize I’m a sinner, what good would his forgiveness do if I didn’t realize there’s a consequence to sin called death, spiritual death. Why would I come to him for spiritual life? And so in order to to recognize the provision. Condition, you have to recognize your condition, and that’s precisely what the law is now, once that has been accomplished, Joe, and the law has done its work, and you have now repented from your state of unbelief, and have come to put your faith in the substitutionary death of Christ at the cross and in His resurrected life, which freed you from the consequence of sin, which is death, and you have put your faith in that you’re born again, and being born again is to be free from the law. And that’s why it says in the scripture that those who are under have come to Christ are no longer under the supervision of the law. Very clear, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes, because no one will ever be declared righteous in the sight of God through obedience to the law. So the law is for the lost. It still is in effect for the lost. Nothing is going to be changed on that but a minute that you are come to Christ by faith, you’re freed from the demands of the law and are now able to be led internally and under the supervision of the Holy Spirit of God. Does that help Joe?

Caller 5 26:12
Well, not exactly.

Bob George 26:15
Well then there’s, there’s no hope for you. Then my brother, if that doesn’t help, I don’t know what’s going to we could certainly send you a book on the scriptural journey to discover the grace of God and turn to the section on law and grace. And if those verses don’t convince you, you’re not able to be convinced. Because that’s what the Scripture clearly declares, Joe, you’re no longer if you’re still under the Law, you’re lost. That’s what the scripture says. You can’t be controlled by the law and the spirit at the same time. So you might need to take a look at that. But the issue is that if you cannot rejoice in the fact because if you’re under the law, you’re under a curse, if you can’t rejoice in the fact that you’ve been freed from that law, there’s something wrong with your rejoicer, my friend. So get in there and study the scriptures and let the Spirit of God, teach your heart.

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JESUS DIED…
1. For all (1st Timothy 2:6; Isaiah 53:6).
2. For every man (Hebrews 2:9).
3. For the world (John 3:16).
4. For the sins of the whole world (1st John 2:2).
5. For the ungodly (Romans 5:6).
6. For false teachers (2nd Peter 2:1).
7. For many (Matthew 20:28).

For Me:

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. ^{Galatians 2:20}

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