Call-ins Radio Broadcast Thursday 05/06/2021

Call-In Classic Christianity Radio – Bob George P631 (05-06-21)

Synopsis

People can grow up in any number of evangelical denominations and not really understand what salvation is, the meaning of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, what that really accomplished for mankind and for you personally. If you were to ask a person what salvation is, some will say it is a process you have to go through while others will say it is that Jesus died for my sins, and that is it. Others will even say you can lose your salvation. People who say such things do not know what salvation is. So to help a person, first you have to know what salvation is, what truth is as revealed by the Spirit of God from the scriptures. Then to engage the person in conversation, you might ask him, “What is your understanding of salvation?”

To a person who says salvation is “Jesus died for my sins”, and that is it, Bob often responds by saying, “That is your problem. You have got half a gospel. Let me explain to you. Do you want me to explain to you the fullness of the gospel?” The gospel is understanding the meaning of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, and what that accomplished. The cross was a necessary preparation for life to be given. It is what took away the cause of our spiritual death, which is sin, eternally from the eyes of God, never to be seen again. Jesus is the only person who ever had a life to lay down, for all the rest of us were born dead, spiritually, due to the sin of Adam, and the fact that the wages of sin is death. So Jesus, being God in the flesh, an eternal being, became sin for us, so that the just requirement of death for sin could be paid in full, eternally. Now, having taken away the cause of our death, which is sin, and having risen from the dead, He can raise us up to new life also. The same resurrected life in Christ Jesus is the same life, eternal life, offered to you and me. All of us were born dead spiritually with the option to receive eternal life. The resurrected life of Jesus is the only life available to mankind. Once that life is received, it can never be taken away because of the eternal consequence of the cross. Listen as Bob explains all this more thoroughly and check out what he says with the scriptures to see if what he says is so.

Having been born again, with the Spirit of God indwelling us, never to leave us or forsake us, as we read and study God’s word, allowing the Spirit to reveal truth to us, we grow in understanding. Oftentimes, the denominational influence we were exposed to hinders our growth. We have not grown in our understanding, knowing the context or the New Covenant of grace we are under. So when we read the gospels, not knowing that Jesus taught under an Old Covenant while proclaiming a New Covenant to come, we misinterpret passages of scripture or are often confused. What does Jesus mean when He says in Luke 6:37-38, “Do not judge and do not be judged. Do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.”. So listen as Bob answers this question by a caller.

Oftentimes denominations will mix law and grace. They will take things out of the Old Testament and try to apply them for today. They are not able to sort out what is written to a Jew under an Old Covenant, and applies only to them during that time period in history, and what applies to both Jew and Gentile, under a New Covenant we are under today. The book of Hebrews is an excellent book to study to understand the New Covenant of grace we are living under today, as born again people of God, who are all one body in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile.

We are to be ministers, and we have been made competent, hopefully, to become ministers of the New Covenant, not of the letter of the law that kills, but of the Spirit, which gives life. Where should, if we have been supposedly made competent as ministers of a New Covenant, where should we be spending our time in teaching? In the New Covenant or the Old Covenant? In the New Covenant. The Old Covenant is a covenant of law. It is a covenant of death. What the Old Testament teaching will show you is the futility of man’s effort and the faithfulness of God. That is one thing you will get out of reading the entire Old Testament. Two things you can conclude, the failure of mankind and the faithfulness of God in the midst of it. That is the only logical conclusion you can come to when you have come to the end of Malachi, man’s failure and God’s provision.

People often will say, “I am called to be a pastor.” There is no call to be a pastor. People ask, “Are you called to be a pastor?” No. You were called to Jesus and He will send you where to go. It is so important to not rely on denominational persuasions of men, as to what truth is, but erase the blackboard, and get into the word of God yourself. Build a new foundation, not on top of an old one, but a new one on Christ Jesus and the meaning of His word revealed to you. Let truth be revealed to you by the Spirit of God, who does not lie or mislead, and who is alive living in you. Allow the Spirit of God to lay the foundation of truth right from what He reveals to you through the scriptures.

There is often so much error handed down generation to generation, that it just takes a stronghold on people and keeps them in bondage. Many times, the organizational structure chokes out the power of the Holy Spirit in people’s lives. I have seen people get so burnt out and beat up by people that it seems to me that, many times, the structure itself becomes the strangling arm that absolutely destroys spiritual life. If you want to learn as much as you can, study as much as you can of the word of God, depending on the Spirit of God to reveal the meaning of it to you. Then begin to teach home bible studies. Gather people around you in home bible studies and then teach them. If you cannot do that, then you will not become a pastor.

Transcript

James from Victoria, TX

James: Your program sure has been a blessing to me. I have a question on Luke 6:37-38, where it says do not judge and do not be judged. Do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Give and it will be given. Can you expound on those passages, on what they mean?

Luke 6:37-38
37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

Bob: I think where we mistake these things, James, is not realizing that what he is saying is how do we live down here on this level with one another. “Do not judge others or you will be judged by others.” “Do not condemn others or they will condemn you.” “Forgive others and they will forgive you.” “Give and it will be given to you, a good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. With the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

Luke 6:39-42
39 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Matthew 7:1-3
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

What is he talking about there? He is talking about brothers judging others, brothers condemning others. Hold on a minute. You have a log in your own eye.

Matthew 7:4-5
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Bob: It is the same thing that is talked about in Corinthians with the Lord’s supper. If you would think through and judge yourself you would not come under judgment of the rest of the body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:33-34
33 So then, my brothers and sisters, when you gather to eat, you should all eat together. 34 Anyone who is hungry should eat something at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment.

Bob: All those things are very true, when you go out and judge someone else. Whenever you are pointing your finger at someone else, you have three pointing back at you. When we go out as Christians judging people, we will be judged ourselves. Many times when judgment comes back to a Christian, it is more severe because they expect more.

Bob: Here is an example of that. A lady wanted to get into a fussy conversation over a statement made by a prominent person in the realm of Christianity. He is a citizen of the United States. Why is it that the only people who do not have the freedom of speech are Christians? He has the freedom to say what he wants to say as a citizen of the United States. I do not think it was the best wisdom, although he did not say anything except that he ought to be taken out. How many liberals have tried to take out a certain person running for office, such as someone for president or Supreme Court. “Take him out. Get rid of him. Impeach him.𔄙, they say. Why would you not think he was thinking the same thing? I do not know his heart on that. But when you start judging and condemning people, you will be judged and condemned. That is the law of the land.

James: That is what Luke was saying, “the measure you use will be measured”. The reason I ask is because I come from church where they take that passage and use it toward money.

Bob: Oh, yea.

James: I did not think it was what it really meant.

Bob: It does not say money, does it?

James: No, sir.

Bob: It is not talking about money at all. If your priority in life is getting money, you will take every verse of scripture and funnel it through that funnel.

James: Exactly. I appreciate that, brother. You clarified some things. I felt it was what it meant. I wanted clarification on it.

Bob: You are sure welcome, brother. Thanks for your call, pal. Bye Bye.

Eugene from Waco, TX

Eugene: I hear you teaching from the New Testament a lot. You teach by grace. I hear a lot of preachers preaching from the Old Testament. Is it not that we use the Old Testament in preaching and teaching? Or do we use that although it may lead up to the New Testament that talks about grace.

Bob: All I know is this. The bible tells us that we have been made competent as ministers of a New Covenant.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant – not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death [the law], which was engraved in letters on stone [the ten commandments], came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious [the law], how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! [grace] 10 For what was glorious [the law] has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory [grace]. 11 And if what was fading away [the law] came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Bob: Eugene, that is what I do know. I do know that because the bible states that. We are to be ministers, and we have been made competent, hopefully, to become ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter of the law that kills, but of the Spirit, which gives life. Where should, if we have been supposedly made competent as ministers of a new covenant, where should we be spending our time in teaching? In the new covenant or the old covenant? In the new covenant. The old covenant is a covenant of law. It is a covenant of death. What the old testament teaching will show you is the futility of man’s effort and the faithfulness of God. That is one thing you will get out of reading the entire old testament. Two things you can conclude, the failure of mankind and the faithfulness of God in the midst of it. That is the only logical conclusion you can come to when you have come to the end of Malachi, man’s failure and God’s provision.

Bob: So, to teach that, the way man was created by God, out of the old testament but also verified in the new testament by Jesus, there is nothing wrong with that. But what we have done is camp on all of the so called things that God gave Israel to do and brought it over as if that is what He wants us to do. The Gentiles, Eugene, never were given the law by God. Never. The Gentiles were never given the law. The law was given to the Jew, not to the Gentile. What the Gentiles have done in religion is they have gone over and said, “You, Jews, were not very good at keeping the law. So come watch my smoke.” So then we find out we were no better than they were.

Romans 3:20
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

No man will ever be made righteous or given life through the law. Death came through the law. The law does for you like a mirror. It can show you your face is dirty but it has no power to remove dirt from your face. You try to wash your face in a mirror, then you will find a lot of smudging taking place. The mirror can show your face is dirty but then you have to turn to Christ for cleansing.

Eugene: Right.

Bob: The essence is that you use the old to show you the futility of your human efforts. You use the new testament to show the faithfulness of God.

Eugene: Right.

Bob: We are ministers of a new covenant.

Eugene: Yes. You can still use the old to bring you to the new, to show you where you are. Even in the usage of Proverbs and Psalms?

Bob: Well, great wisdom in both Psalms and Proverbs. Again, I certainly never learned anything particularly in Psalms or Proverbs that I was not taught by Jesus or the writers of Paul in the epistles. There is terrific wisdom in Ecclesiastes. The futility of life is shown us very strongly as Solomon merely shows us his life. As he writes about his life, “I have had concubines, women, song, drink, buildings, and everything else.” What did he say about it? All futile. Absolutely futile. That is truth. So sometimes reading those kinds of things can show a person, “Hey, that is what I have been doing. And if Solomon says this is vanity, why should I not say it is vanity?” So those things can be used, but in essence of how to live your life on this earth is only out of the new covenant. There is nothing in the old testament about living indwelt by Jesus. That is where you learn how to walk in the newness of life is in the new covenant that we are in today.

Bob: Alright. Thank God for it.

Eugene: Thank you very much.

Bob: Alright, my friend. Good to talk to you. Good bye now.

Marcus from Houston, TX

Marcus: I was at church Sunday and they were teaching that everyone was born with the Holy Spirit at natural birth. They were using Ecclesiastes 12:7 and Genesis 2:7.

Bob: Adam was created alive spiritually, Marcus, and Jesus was the only man ever born alive spiritually. He is the only man who could lay his life down for you and me. He is the only one who had a life to lay down for you and me. The rest of us are born in Adam, dead. Adam was created alive. Jesus, called the second Adam, was born alive. All of us are born into this world dead spiritually, and therefore, in need of life. That is what the day of Pentecost was for, the day that God gave the Holy Spirit to believers, who came to Him by faith. The Holy Spirit came upon Old Testament people for divine service and then would leave them, but the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which you and I have today, who is born again. Anyone born again today has a permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God. So to think you are born naturally, spiritually alive, is ridiculous. The bible just does not teach that.

Bob: Adam was created alive, but when Adam had Seth, Seth was born in the image of Adam.

Genesis 5:3
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.

Marcus: Yes. They even told me that if you do not have the Holy Spirit, then what is keeping you alive right now?

Bob: You do not have to have the Holy Spirit to be alive physically, but you do have to have the Holy Spirit to be alive spiritually. So he is saying that all men are born again spiritually so all men are born saved? I do not think so. That is not what the bible teaches. They need to get out of Ecclesiastes and get into the New Covenant here it is explained in detail.

Marcus: Alright.

Bob: Okay, Marcus. Good to talk to you, my friend. Bye.

Jacob from Sugar Creek, MO

Jacob: Sometimes I go on the internet, and they call them Christian chat rooms. Even in real life, there is so much opposition to the message of grace and teaching people about the truth that you are secure in Christ. It seems like whenever I try to tell people about the truth of eternal security there is all this resistance. They accuse you of being divisive. It is really hard to tell another believer about something like that. I try to approach people and try to tell them the truth. It seems like they are really resistant to that kind of stuff.

Bob: Isn’t it amazing that we are divisive by teaching eternal security but they are not divisive by teaching you can lose your salvation. Is that not crazy? In other words, both are divisive unless you know what truth is. Jacob, the issue is, there is a divine logic behind our eternal security that most people do not understand.

Bob: A person that believes you can lose your salvation has no clue what salvation is. I mean that with all my heart. I will tell you why. Salvation is being saved from the consequence of sin, which is death. Forgiveness does not bring life to the dead. Life brings life to the dead. The only life available to anyone, of all mankind throughout the ages, is the resurrected life of Christ Jesus. That is why Jesus is the only way to God and no man will ever come to the Father except through Christ Jesus. That is because He is the only life available to us.

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.

Bob: In order to give us eternal life, inasmuch as sin is what caused our death to begin with. That is what caused Adam to die when he sinned and what caused Jesus to die when He became sin for us. He had to eternally take away the cause of our spiritual death, which is sin. That is the meaning of the cross. At the cross is where Jesus eternally took away the sins of the world from the eyes of God. He paid the price for us. He paid a debt He did not owe for us who owed a debt we could not pay. He did it for all, He did it eternally, and He did not miss one.

1 John 2:2 (NASB)
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 4:10 (NASB)
10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Bob: You are spitting in the face of Jesus when you say you can lose salvation because the only way that could be is if you forgot one at the cross. That is nonsense to think of. He took away eternally the cause of spiritual death.

Hebrews 10:16-18
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”[Jeremiah 31:33]

17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”[Jeremiah 31:34]

18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

Bob: We are all born into this world born dead spiritually with the option to choose life through His resurrection. Once we come to life through His resurrection, having thanked Him for the forgiveness that enabled that to occur, we then receive eternal life that cannot be taken away. It is not the case of “will it”. It cannot be taken away because the only thing that can cause that life to depart from us would be sin.

Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned

Romans 6:23 (NASB)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 16:10
10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Bob: The reason that is an impossibility is because of the cross, the eternal consequence of the cross. So if a person will just understand what salvation is, and what the meaning of the death, burial and resurrection did for us, you would never come up with a nonsensical philosophy. That is what it is, a philosophy, not a theology, that you can lose what Jesus says you can never lose.

Bob: You are standing on good ground, Jacob. You keep proclaiming the gospel. But try to get a person to listen long enough to explain the logic behind our eternal security.

Jacob: Right. But you are getting out the root problem, a misunderstanding of even what Jesus came to do.

Bob: On what salvation is. Absolutely. As I said, I have been around long enough to say that not only do I know it to be true, but I believe it to be true, that a person who believes he can lose his salvation does not know what salvation is. Whenever I asked someone, who is a proponent of that, what is your understanding of the gospel, they reply by saying, “Jesus died for my sins”, and that is it. So that is why I said they do not understand what salvation is.

Jacob: So do you think maybe going through the gospel again might help them?

Bob: Absolutely. Ask them the question, “What is your understanding of the gospel?” I guarantee you they will say “Jesus died for my sins” and that is it. I reply, “That is your problem. You have got half a gospel. Let me explain to you. Do you want me to explain to you the fullness of the gospel?” Then go ahead and explain just what I explained to you.

Jacob: Then they will try to add repentance and baptism, saying that is part of the gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received, in which you also stand, 2 by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

Bob: No, in Corinthians, it says the gospel that saves is the death, burial and resurrection. There is nothing about baptism in the gospel. There is nothing about tongues, church attendance, tithing records or anything else. It is all what Jesus did. It is nothing that you and I do.

Romans 11:5-6
5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

Jacob: I also do have this on my heart for a while. I want to verbalize these truths to people but all that comes out is “I like the grace of God” and “I like the New Covenant” but I always have a hard time verbalizing what that is. I just say the words. Maybe that is not enough to help them at all.

Bob: It would not help me at all. What you like is, quite frankly, irrelevant. The issue is what is truth. Whether you like it or not is not the issue. The issue is what is truth. The truth is that Jesus died for sinners, which we are well qualified for. The reason He took away the sins of the world from the eyes of God is because He could not have given us eternal life apart from doing that. It is quite simple. If He never went to the cross, then you and I could never have eternal life. If He gave us eternal life, the next time we sinned we would die again, wouldn’t we, if the wages of sin is death?

Jacob: Yes.

Bob: So you just try to learn. Continue listening and reading, Jacob, and God will give you how to verbalize it. You do not know it really until you verbalize.

Jacob: I have the desire to do that but it cannot come out very well.

Bob: That is why you need to come to one of our seminars. And get to it before death?

(Laughter)

Mark from Clovis, CA

Mark: Hello and God bless you.

Bob: Thank you, Mark. Same to you, brother.

Mark: I am an aspiring minister. I am taking an online bible ministry school. I ran into something I am a little concerned about. The problem is, Bob, that a lot of denominations, they frown upon a person who has been divorced before. I was divorced several years ago. My wife was committing adultery. She was the one who filed the divorce papers. I eventually became divorced. Years later I met a wonderful woman and got married to her. Everything is fine, but what I am told is because I was married before, a lot of denominations are not willing for me to be a part of their organization because of that history. The thing is it was not my fault. She did what she did. I did not even file the divorce papers. Are there particular denominations that are, not even lenient, but understanding of my situation?

Bob: Mark, there is a degree in which you are blessed. What I mean by that is this. You are blessed that you are not accepted. Because somebody who takes that stance without ever listening to the situation. It says in the bible that a man who judges without hearing a matter is a fool. You do not want to be involved in that denominational work.

Proverbs 18:13
13 To answer before listening – that is folly and shame.

Mark: Amen.

Bob: I got out of denominational work. I was embedded into denominational work. By choice, I got out of it in order to get out on neutral ground in order to teach the word of God, and not with the bias of a denomination but with the conviction of the Spirit. I do not want to have anything to do with denominationalism. I do not want any part of it because I do not want to be bogged down in it. If I was in a particular church teaching truth, I would be praising God for that if it was other than ours. What I am saying is, I do not want to be the pastor or be involved in that because of the denominational persuasion that a person may be saying to you that if you do not preach what we are saying, you cannot work here.

John 17:17
17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Mark: I hear you.

Bob: There are plenty of places to go, Mark. There are places you can go that you do not have to go to what I call a cemetery rather than a seminary, in order to be their pastor. You do not need to do that. There are plenty. Again, you need to make very sure that God is calling you or sending you. The calling of God is to come unto Him and then He sends you. There is no call to be a pastor. People ask, “Are you called to be a pastor?” No. You were called to Jesus and He will send you where to go.

John 20:21-22
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

1 Timothy 3:1-3
1 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

Bob: The calling is unto Him and He will do the sending. In your heart is whether or not you have the heart of a pastor-teacher. The pastor-teacher is not a spiritual gift. The teacher is the gift from God to the church, to the local bodies, or to the people of God.

Bob: So, you need to ensure that is what you really want to do. There is a world of difference between being a pastor and a teacher. So, as an example, you want to be a teacher. You love to teach the word of God, then there are all kinds of opportunities for people. I would not worry about being hooked up to being in a denomination at all. Ultimately that would be a detriment to you.

Bob: I do not mean to say that in a bad way, Mark. I am saying that, many times, the organizational structure chokes out the power of the Holy Spirit in people’s lives. I have seen that over my long lifetime of being not only in Christ but being in a situation of being around churches and pastors. I have seen people get so burnt out and beat up by people that it seems to me that, many times, the structure itself becomes the strangling arm that absolutely destroys spiritual life. I would not desire that at all. If you want to learn as much as you can, study as much as you can of the word of God, depending on the Spirit of God to reveal the meaning of it to you. Then begin to teach home bible studies. Gather people around you in home bible studies and then teach them. If you cannot do that, then you will not become a pastor.

2 Timothy 2:15
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

Bob: Okay Mark, I hope that helps? Again, my advice to you, as somebody who has been in ministry for a very long period of time, is to study the word of God, find yourself approved unto the Lord, be sure you are depending upon Christ and have depended on Christ for your understanding, not from denominations you have been involved with. I do not want to believe the word of God because of some denomination. I want to believe it because God taught it to me. Then reach out to others in ministry.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 3:5-6
5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant – not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Bob: A pastor should be a minister. We have been called to be ministers of reconciliation, ministers of a new covenant, not of an old one that kills but of the new that gives life. Be dedicated to be a pastor of a new covenant. Gather people around you and see how it grows. God will do the building of the church. If He gives you a church, He will build it, and let Him do so.

Colossians 1:17-18
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Matthew 16:18 (TLB)
18 You are Peter, a stone; and upon this rock [Jesus] I will build my church; and all the powers of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mark: Bob, thank you for that clarity on that. I appreciate all that you share.

Bob: Good to talk to you, Mark. You keep in touch, brother.

Mark: Thank you and God bless you, Bob.

Bob: You too, my friend. Bye bye.

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