Call-In Classic Christianity Radio – Bob George P538 (05-22-20)
Synopsis
It is so common to be in a bible study and hear erroneous teaching. Yes, even preachers teach things that are false. Often times people are raised under denominational teaching since their youth, and repeat what they here as if it that is the truth. Why? I heard it in Sunday school. Sadly, many people would rather hold onto tradition, thinking it is of equal par with the scriptures. Others simply do not know the scriptures to discern truth from error. So how then can you discern what is true and what is error? Do you have to go to seminary and study Greek and Hebrew? No. If anyone lacks wisdom ask of God and He will give you wisdom without partiality.
First of all, to discern truth from error, you must be born again so that you can have the mind of Christ, so you can have the Spirit of God guide you into all truth. We will never be in a state where we do not need a continual renewing of the mind. But to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, you must first be on the starting line. You must have the Spirit of God living in you.
Then, you learn to have a teachable and humble Spirit. You read God’s word and ask the Spirit, who is living in you, to teach you the meaning of the word of God. As you do, you will see your life begin to change. You read John 15, and you learn what it means to abide in Christ. You cease striving to find acceptance by what you do, as you realize you are a child of God, and that is your new identity. You cease striving to produce fruit in the energy of your flesh. You learn to let Christ live His life in you and through, letting Him produce whatever fruit He wants to produce through you.
You learn to rest in Him and walk in complete trust in Him. You read the gospel of John and then Romans and then Hebrews and you learn about this unbelievable grace of God. You learn how Jesus took all your sins away even before you were even born. You learn about His unconditional love and acceptance where you can say like the apostle Paul, there is nothing that can separate you from the love of God. So you go boldly to the throne of grace for help in time of need. All of this is a part of growing in Christ.
So listen now as Bob George answers questions by various callers. Some callers are quite nit-picking and Bob has to address that. Others are a little confused on certain things. Others are puzzled by teaching they hear in a bible study and Bob helps them sort that out by explaining scripture so they can have a ready answer to bring back to those who are in error. Others are not grasping certain truth, like not quite understanding that Christ Jesus really is alive and He is living in you. In some cases, heretical teaching is being taught in a bible study, and it might be wise to find another bible study group to be with.
Transcript
Ernest from Strausburg, PA
Ernest: I noticed ’disciple’ is used primarily in the gospel, the book of Acts. I do not see it much written in Paul’s writing?
Bob: Well, why it is isn’t mentioned more in his writings and not in the other, I cannot answer that. But to be a disciple of Christ was to be a follower of Christ, a person willing to be discipled or disciplined by the word of God, and a person who chose to be a follower of Christ Jesus, not only just following Him, but following his teaching. So those of us who are in Christ Jesus, who chose to follow His teaching were called disciples. That would be the case whether it was in the gospels or whether just in Paul’s writings.
Ernest: Some teachers I notice try to say that unless you are a disciple you are not a believer. But I think it is pretty much synonymous.
Bob: You can be a believer and not be willing to necessarily follow all of the teachings of the Lord. In fact, none of us, I do not believe, walk in total obedience to all the teachings of the Lord. But again, our hearts are that I want to follow Christ Jesus. Like Paul said, …to somehow to obtain the resurrection and the sufferings of Christ Jesus”. Paul was so dedicated to that that he wanted to suffer like Christ Jesus. It is a follower of Him in all ways. But again, that is a matter of degrees.
Bob: Now, your salvation is not a matter of degrees. If you are in Christ, you are just plain in Christ Jesus. The more we get to know Him and to know His trustworthiness, then the easier it becomes to become a follower of His teachings.
John 15:1-5
1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
Bob: How much sense does it mean to a branch to be saying I do not know whether or not I am producing all the fruit I ought to be producing? Do you think that would make any sense? You see, a branch cannot produce fruit. All a branch can do is abide in the vine and let the vine produce the fruit through the branch. For the branch to be sitting around thinking whether I am doing a lot or a little is nonsense. All a branch has to be concerned about is if I am abiding. If I am abiding, then it is God’s business to determine how much fruit is coming through me. So get your eyes off the fruit and get it on the root.
Ernest: Amen. So the enemy wants us to focus on what we are doing instead of resting in what Christ has done and letting His life be lived through you?
Bob: Absolutely. He called us to a rest. He does the work in and through us. So it is not my job to judge how He is doing.
Ernest: Right. You have the scripture in Hebrews where we labor to enter the rest. It almost seems like contradiction. But again, the goal is to rest. But the laboring part is to put aside all that, the desires of trying to do and do and do. It is just our natural inclination to want to do.
Bob: Well, you have to realize that there is a certain amount of humility God has to build into us. God says, “Bob George, as nifty and intelligent as you think you are, apart from Christ, you cannot do anything”. And that is why you come to a point, I just do not say that with words, I just mean that. Christ is not at all impressed with any of those things. What He is impressed with is a person’s ability to abide in Him and let Him complete the work He began in us.
Ernest: Keep resting in the Lord and resting in His finished work and letting Him do that work in and through me in any way He sees fit.
Bob: Absolutely.
Ernest: I surrender myself to the Lord and leave the results to Him.
Bob: Absolutely. You got it, pal.
Ernest: Thank you very much. I appreciate your time and help here.
Bob: God bless. Keep resting, my friend. He called us to a rest. So I laughingly say, “Take a vacation in Jesus.”
Hebrews 4:9-11
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest
Ernest: Amen. That is what we all need. I appreciate it. God bless.
Bob: You too my friend. Bye, bye now.
Norm from McPherson, KS
Norm: I am into two different bible studies. In those bible studies, there are at least two individuals, one in each study, who says, “I hate homosexuals”. They base it on the 1st chapter of Romans. One of them quotes verse 32, where it says they deserve death. It also says in the book of 1 John that if a person hates his brother, it is the same as murder. And John says know that no murder has eternal life. So I see a connection between those verses. I do not know which one to concentrate on because I only have a few seconds. Is it appropriate for a Christian to hate a homosexual whether of the world or whether possibly believers in Jesus Christ who are caught in a web of sin? Do they deserve death?
Romans 1:32
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them
1 John 3:15
15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
Bob: Well, Norm, the answer to that is what all those people have done is verbalize their lost condition. They just let anybody listening to them know that they are not saved.
Norm: The people who were saying this?
Bob: Absolutely. How can you say I am in contact and I am indwelt by God to love and yet I hate a certain group of people? That is impossible. That is why it says if you hate your brother, the love of the Father is not in you. All they have done is identified their spiritual condition. They are lost. God loved the world. He loved the world. Did He hate sin? Absolutely he hates sin and Romans is talking about that. These people burn in their own lusts. They are trapped in a sin that we who are spiritual are supposed to go to them, not with an attitude that I could never do that because God can prove to you that you could. But go to them in the attitude of restoration, not condemnation. Jesus said I did not come to condemn the world so what are you doing, proclaiming to be in Christ, condemning the world?
Galatians 6:1
1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
Norm: A preacher in Topeka, KS goes to funerals and is saying we are rejoicing because the very death in Iraq is God’s judgment on America’s homosexual.
Bob: That person is a blithering idiot.
Norm: But he teaches the bible.
Bob: Of course. He is a bible teaching, blithering, idiot. Where are you going to find that in the bible?
Norm: I have to be in a meeting at 7:00 o’clock.
Bob: If you have a meeting with that kind of stuff, I would go find some other place to meet.
Norm: I am not teaching that.
Bob: I know you are not, but if you have people around teaching that nonsense, you are hearing heretical teaching. That is about as heretical a teaching you can get into.
Norm: Those people are not teachers. They are just participants in those groups.
Bob: I thought one of them was a teacher?
Norm: I am the teacher. One of them.
Bob: You keep teaching truth because Jesus so loved the world. Jesus took away the sins of the entire world, including if it were a homosexual act has ever been done, or a heterosexual act.
Norm: I have never been allowed to express this, but a homosexual gets saved the same way as any other person gets saved. If you just take that verse then every one is saved by faith the same way.
John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Bob: That is what the bible says so you stick with that.
Norm: Okay.
Bob: But again, that is not to justify his sinful actions afterwards but the issue is how is he going to correct those actions unless he gets saved.
Ernest: Okay, but if a chronic liar accepts Christ on that basis, and he gets saved nobody squawks when he does.
Bob: It is self righteousness and it is sickening.
Ernest: I got to go.
Bob: Okay. Bye bye.
Patty from Clovis, CA
Patty: I was at a bible study yesterday and we were talking about sins. I mentioned something about Jesus forgives us for our sins except the sin of disbelief. I got a note at the end that I should look at Matthew 12:31 that I was wrong. Blasphemy against the Spirit is the only unforgiven sin. I need your help there?
Matthew 12:31
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
John 16:9 (TLB)
9 The world’s sin is unbelief in me;
Jesus said, “the world’s sin is unbelief in me”. So what would blasphemy against the Spirit be?
Patty: I do not know. She just points to it.
Bob: It would be the denial of the testimony of the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ is Lord. To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. God testified that Jesus was the Messiah. Jesus came and testified He is the Messiah. And the work of the Holy Spirit today is to testify that He is the Messiah. There is no more testimony coming from heaven. You can deny the Father’s testimony and the Son’s but if you deny the testimony of the Holy Spirit, you have denied the totality of the godhead. That is blasphemy against the testimony of the Holy Spirit that He has given us eternal life in Christ Jesus.
1 John 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Bob: So you have some work to do in your bible study. The sins of the world were taken away at the cross. How many sins of the world were taken away at the cross? All of them. For how long? Throughout all eternity. They were taken away from who? Us or God’s eyes?
Patty: From God’s eyes.
John 19:30
30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Bob: Yes. If that is true and that Jesus did that and cried out “it is finished” then if we are going to walk by faith, then we have to walk by faith by us saying, “Thank you” because if any more forgiveness to be done on our behalf, he would have to die again. In fact, when He returns, He is not coming to bear sins but to bring salvation for those waiting for Him. Why is He not going to bear sin? He has already done it.
John 16:8-9
8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me;
Bob: From John 16, it is the role of the Holy Spirit of God to convince people wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment. About sin, it says, because they do not believe in me. If the role of the Holy Spirit is to go into the world to convince people of sin and of righteousness in Christ Jesus, and of judgment, then that is why then that the denial of that testimony of the Holy Spirit that is working in the heart of all men is blasphemy against the totality of the godhead’s testimony about His Son. So Jesus says that the world’s sin is unbelief. That is the only sin attributable to man. The sins of the world have been taken away, each and every one of them, for everybody.
Hebrews 10:15-17
15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[Jeremiah 31:33]17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[Jeremiah 31:34]
“This is the covenant I will make with men. I will take away all their sins.”
Romans 11:32
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Some people take that to mean universal salvation. No. He did have mercy on all people, sinners and everyone alike. He took away the sins of the whole world. didn’t He?
Patty: Yes.
1 Corinthians 15:16-22
16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Patty: Thank you so much.
Bob: You are welcome. Thanks for your call, Patty. I hope you do well in there. Keep us posted. You may get blasted.
Patty: I think I am going to. (Laughter) Thank you.
Jeff from Los Angelos, CA
Jeff: In a bible study, they brought up a quote from Matthew. “He shall be called a Nazarene.” There were arguments in a bible study as to whether there was even a quote in the Hebrews scripture that “you shall be called a Nazarene.”
Matthew 2:23
23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
Bob: Again, would it make any difference whether it was there or not? It certainly is recorded in the New Testament and that is all that really matters, Jeff, to be called a Nazarene, if it fulfilled what was said. It did not say what was written by the prophets but what was said. So there was verbal communication from the prophets. That was there job to reveal truth that had been revealed to them by God. So whether it was written down or by verbal communication, it still came out of the mouth of a prophet. So the issue is whether that verse was in there or not, it will be fulfilled what was said in the prophets that he will be called a Nazarene. Jesus lived in Nazareth so he was called a Nazarene.
Jeff: It says, as in scripture, so that would be written?
Bob: No, it says it was fulfilled what was said through the prophets.
Jeff: The only way they would know in Jesus day what was said through the prophets if it was in the Hebrew scripture.
Bob: No, there was verbal communication. How do you they think they communicated prior to the time they wrote the scriptures?
Jeff: The Hebrew scriptures were in existence at that time.
Bob: That is true, but there was also verbal communication. You are straining out a gnat there, Jeff. I do not even understand why someone would be concerned with it, to be honest about it?
Matthew 23:23-24
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices – mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law – justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
Jeff: I will tell you why. That is a good question. If he talked about something that is not recorded, then the New Testament is not infallible.
Bob: Is that what you are trying to prove, that the New Testament is not infallible?
Jeff: No. I am not trying to prove anything. I asked you a question.
Bob: Let me say this, Jeff. When dealing with scripture, you are dealing with the Old Testament that was translated into the Septuagint, into the Greek language, which is what Jesus and them used. That was done years before Jesus came, the Old Testament. Jesus, who is God, never questioned one iota of the Old Testament and the accuracy of it. If Jesus is God, He would be the first one to have corrected error in there, if there was error in the Old Testament.
Jeff: Jesus was not around when Matthew wrote that.
Bob: What do you mean he was never around? He was always alive. Jesus was never dead. He just changed locations. His body died but God moved into another location and came back in the resurrection. He is not dead. He is a living God.
Mark 12:24-27
24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26 Now about the dead rising – have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[Exodus 3:6]? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”
Bob: Jeff, I am not going to argue over this nonsensical teaching. The thing of it is, quit nit-picking over this kind of stuff. Jesus said to his apostles that when the Holy Spirit comes, “I will cause the Holy Spirit to bring back to remembrance every single thing I said to you”. Everything Matthew wrote Jesus communicated to him while he was in existence. That is good enough. Do not try to doubt the validity of the New Testament based on that simple logic because it does not make any sense, Jeff.
John 14:26
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
Mary from Riverside, CA
Mary: I am nervous here. Do you know that song, “Oh, how I need Thee. Every hour I need Thee.”?
Bob: Yes.
Mary: That is how I have always been. I need you not just every hour but ever minute. Sometimes when you listen to Christian radio you get a little confused. I heard a couple of sermons lately where they will talk about when Jesus got away from the crowd because they were after Him for the wrong reason. They were not interested in Him. They just wanted to see His miracles and stuff.
Bob: Yes, that is true.
Mary: I was trying today. “I am not going to use you, Lord.” I hate to be used myself. I can tell when Mary comes over …
Bob: Mary, come on. Look, Jesus is alive. He is not an object that lived 2000 years ago and is gone. Jesus is alive in you, if you are born again.
Romans 8:11
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
Mary: I am born again.
1 Corinthins 2:16
16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Bob: Jesus is alive living in you. You have the mind of Christ. You are able to participate in the divine nature that lives in you.
2 Peter 1:4
4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Bob: He is not dead. He is alive. He is there it says, the Holy Spirit, to live in you to guide you into all truth. How often do you need to be guided into all truth? Every minute of every day. He is there to take the things of Christ Jesus and make them known to you.
John 16:13
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:15
15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
Bob: Believe me, you are not bothering Jesus. Get rid of that kind of thinking and recognize Jesus is living in you, in the person of the Holy Spirit, for the purpose of meeting your needs. That is why it says we are to come to Him in our time of need. He is always there to meet you. You are not wearing Him out. He is God. You are not bothering Him. That is what you are there for, to come into His presence boldly calling Him, “Daddy. Father.” and receiving mercy in your time of need.
Hebrews 4:16
16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
Mary: That is what He wants?
Bob: Absolutely. That is what He is there for.
Mary: I would like to just praise Him.
Bob: That is good to do. Again, I think we need to do more praising. If we had a clue and studied the scriptures for understanding and asking the Spirit of God to teach us the meaning of the word of God, we would not be asking Him for much of anything. We would be thanking Him all the time for His provision.
Romans 12:2
2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
1 Corinthians 2:9-11
9 However, as it is written:“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”[Isaiah 64:4] –
the things God has prepared for those who love him –10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
Mary: Yeah. Yeah. He is so awesome. John would not even describe what he saw.
Bob: The issue is if He recorded everything Jesus did, all the libraries of the world could not hold it.
John 21:25
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Bob: We have only seen a glimpse of it The issue is God loves you perfectly. Nothing can separate you from the love of God, trials can’t and tribulations can’t.
Romans 8:31-39
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all – how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life – is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[Psalm 44:22]37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Bob: That is how you approach Him, “in the midst of what I am going through, nothing is separating me from your love and I thank you for that”. You do not need to be asking all the time. I would spend more time thanking Him.
Bob: Okay, Mary?
Mary: Okay. Thank you.
Mary: Good to talk to you, Mary. Bye bye now.
Bill from Westico, TX
Bill: I want clarification of something. Am I interpreting this correctly? Christ said to Peter, “Who do you say that I am?”. He said that he is the Messiah. Jesus replied, “You did not get that from mortal man. You got that from my Father in heaven, and on this I will build my church.” He meant the word of what Peter said, and not Peter.
Matthew 16:13-20
13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
Bob: Yes, it the foundation of whom Jesus claimed to be, and that is God. It is the confession of Peter. Again, it is not because it came from Peter. It is the confession of everyone who became a follower of Jesus. It was just revealed to Peter and Peter was the person who basically brought the gospel to the Jews and then to the Gentile.
Bill: It what was the Word. It is not the word of Peter. Not Peter. Peter is a mortal man.
Bob: Exactly. Your interpretation is a hundred percent right on that, which is totally contrary to Catholic doctrine, who put Peter in that role rather than the word of God.
Bill: That cannot be possible. Mortal man? Peter made many errors so it cannot be him.
Bob: Shortly after that Jesus said, “Satan, get behind me.” talking to Peter.
Matthew 16:21-23
21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”
23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
Bill: I had discussions with people who seem to think it is Peter. No, it is not Peter.
Bob: What you are dealing with is people have substituted tradition and put tradition on the same par as the word of God. When you have done that, then whose tradition are you going to be following? The issue is you err because you do not know the scripture and you follow tradition instead of the word of God. You are on the right track, brother.
Matthew 22:29
Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Mark 7:5-8
5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[Isaiah 29:13]8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
Bill: They say Peter was the first priest. Well, James was the head of the first church in Jerusalem.
Bill, we can go on with that subject but it is nonsense. The one God wants us to worship is not man but Jesus Christ. Stick there and we will be in great shape.
