Call-In Classic Christianity Radio – Bob George P497 (12-13-19)
Every now and then, someone calls, asking how to be saved. Wayne had been listening to Classic Christianity Radio about the condition of the heart. He knew he was not saved and wanted to be saved. So he asked to call about how he can be saved. Listen as Bob George explains the good news of the gospel.
In summary, salvation is being saved from the consequences of sin, which is death, by the gift of God, which is the resurrected life of Christ Jesus. You place your faith in what Christ Jesus alone accomplished for you through his death, burial and resurrection. Knowing you are a sinner, that Jesus took that sin away already, 2000 years ago when he shed his blood on a cross, you recognize your condition of spiritual death. Knowing that, you turn in total faith in Christ’s resurrection to save you, to give you new spiritual life. You receive, believe in the name of Jesus, to save you. You are not saved by the death of Christ, that was preparation, but you are saved by the life of Christ.
Another caller, Sean, has been reading his bible, and he is familiar with the book of Romans, but then in the book of James, he reads about where James talks about faith without works is dead. Are Paul and James in agreement? What is James really saying?
Bob George addresses what James is saying in context. James is not sharing a different gospel, but how the same gospel that Paul preached, when believed, lives are changed. When you have true faith in the true Jesus, then works will be produced in you and through you. When someone is born again, having the Spirit of God living in him, there is this growing in maturity that is to occur, and that comes by reading God’s word and abiding in Christ, who is living in you, letting Him reveal to you the meaning of God’s word, and obeying from the heart.
Glen was wondering about a passage in 2 Corinthians, where Paul is about to make another painful visit to the Christians at Corinth, who are so slow to grow in Christ. They ought to be teachers by now but Paul is going over again the basic elementary things of Christ.
Their behavior was not in line with who they are, children of God. That is why it was a humbling experience for him. So Paul provides strong rebuke, and practical advice to the church, so as to help them grow. He says that when I come again God will humble me. I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of their impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they indulged. God’s goal for us is certainly not to live a life of lasciviousness, but a life of faith in Christ Jesus, allowing Him to lead us into paths of righteousness not unrighteousness.
Pat had read a scripture in Genesis where God has said let us make man in our own image. Why is the word “us ” used there?
God is a Triune God, consisting of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit. We read about it in several places in Genesis, including at the tower of Babel when God confuses their language. This concept of Trinity is recorded in the Old Testament, but is explained in the New Testament, where Jesus came to explain this more fully.
Greg called about Romans 8:36, where Paul is quoting from an Old Testament scripture, to explain his heart of trust in the Lord. No matter what trials and tribulations you face down here, God causes all things to happen for the good to those who love Him and are called according to his purpose.
Wayne: Bob, I am calling you this evening is because I have a problem. I want to be saved. I know I am lost. I have no doubt in my mind. I have a tremendous history of why I know that. Trust me when I say I know it, especially after listening to your message last Friday, about the heart. You nailed me all over the place. I cannot tell you how bad. I have to be honest with you. I am nervous about making this call because I have been struggling. I just struggle so badly. There is no evidence in my life that I can see that I am saved.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Bob: There is a struggle in this world. It is a battle between Satan and God. You and I were not born in Christ. We were born out of Christ, with a decision to come to Him by faith. When we come to realize, Wayne, and I think you have, you come to realize the condition that God said you were in. He said you were a sinner, and if you were like me, when I heard that, I certainly wasn’t going to argue with him on that one. I could have told Him a few things even He did not know. But I knew I was a sinner.
23 For the wages of sin is death
Bob: But I did not know that there was a consequence to sin called spiritual death. We live in the realm of physical and spiritual. I know I am alive physically but I am dead spiritually. That is the meaning of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. He went to a cross to do something for you and me, Wayne, that in some respects, is unthinkable, that he who knew no sin, went to that cross to become sin for me, and for you, so that in His resurrected life, you and I could become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Bob: Why he did that is no explanation except an unfathomable love, which we really cannot get our arms fully around. He did that because he loved us. He took away the sins of the entire world from the eyes of God, never to see them again.
1 John 4:9-10 (KJV)
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Bob: Then Jesus said that the only sin attributable to man is the sin of unbelief in the one who came to save us (John 16:9).
John 16:9 (TLB)
9 The world’s sin is unbelief in me
Bob: Through his resurrection, Wayne, is where we receive salvation. The cross is what cleared the deck for the divine action of bringing salvation to man, salvation being the imputation of spiritual life into us, who were spiritually dead. He was raised from the dead then so that you and I could be indwelt by his life now.
7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace
20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness – for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
So, coming to Christ for salvation is thanking him by faith for what he did. He took away your sins. Thanking him by faith, that when he was raised from the dead, he was raised, so that today, His Holy Spirit could come to us, who are dead, and say, “I came to give you life. I am the resurrection and the life. Wayne, if you believe in me, though you are dead spiritually, yet shall you live spiritually. When you come to me for life, you will live from me, and be in my life eternally.”
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Bob: He says, “Do you believe that?” Now, Wayne, if you believe that to be true, with all your heart, then you acknowledge that to God in prayer. And if you are ready to do that tonight, to accept the living Christ into your heart, to come in and to be your life, and your love, and your Savior, then I want to pray with you for you to do that tonight. Do you want to do that?
Wayne: Absolutely. I want to go to bed tonight knowing that I am saved. I cannot even imagine that.
Bob: Well, Wayne, let us pray together. I am going to say a prayer, Why don’t you repeat that after me. Basically, it is the intention of your heart, that God listens to.
Bob and Wayne (Wayne repeating): Lord Jesus, I need you. I thank you that you went to a cross, to take away all of my sins, from the eyes of God, never ever to see them again. Having done that, and now entered into my death with me, and raised from the dead, so that I could have life, I now invite you to come into my heart, and to give me life, eternal life, and to be my best friend, in Jesus name. Amen.
Wayne: Thank you.
Bob: Now Wayne, based on the word of God, it says that to as many have received him, and that is what you did tonight isn’t?
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
Wayne: Yes sir.
Bob: He gave the right to you to become a child of God. You are no longer, your identity is no longer, than anything else. If you had an identity of alcoholic, drug addict, Baptist, Presbyterian, all those things, they have gone by the wayside. God says you are a child of God. That is who you will be throughout eternity.
Wayne: That is good. Oh, I see.
Bob: That is good news! As a child of God, he has given you his inheritance. It says in the bible that he has given you everything that you need for life and godliness.
2 Peter 1:3
3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
Wayne: So, in other words, that means I do not have to go out and struggle, and earn anything, right?
Bob: You cannot earn anything you already have. There is no sense trying to earn what you already have. He has given you everything you need. He has also given you the word of God, which we put into a book called the bible.
Bob: Wayne, what I am going ask you to do before we get off of here. I am going to put you on hold and get your name and address, because we want to send you a bible study to you. I would work through those questions to solidify, out of the word of God, what he has done in your heart tonight. Do you have a bible?
Wayne: Yes sir. I do. The translation does not matter, does it?
Bob: It depends if it is a translation you can understand.
Wayne: It is the New King James Version.
Bob: Yes. It is a good version. I will look up those questions that we are going to send you. Mark those up in your bible. Yo can get marking pencils that do not bleed through. Mark those pages in your bible and just let God solidify, again in your heart, what has happened to you tonight.
Wayne: I thank you a whole bunch.
Bob: You are sure welcome, my brother. God bless you. It says the angels in heaven are rejoicing in heaven tonight. I guarantee I am rejoicing with you. I know all of our listeners across the country are rejoicing with you.
7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.
Wayne: Yes. Okay then. I guess it is about time for the show to end.
Bob: It is getting close, my friend. So, I will put you on hold and we will get that information into your hands. Our prayers will be with you, Wayne. God bless you, my friend.
Sean from Denver, CO
Bob: How are you doing tonight?
Sean: I am doing alright. I have been listening to you guys from my radio shows. I noticed there is a lot of talk about faith without works, receiving the grace of God, the salvation of God, and eternal life through faith and faith alone, without works. It is just. I am deeply with you guys. It is real confusing to me because I have heard preachers and pastors preach on both extremes, it seems. Nobody else ever seems to come out and say that faith. A lot of people focus a lot on fruits that you bear, and going out and being active.
Bob: They may be talking about two different things, Sean. Any evangelical community, anybody that you would call a true evangelical, is teaching salvation by what it is. It is not up for grabs. Salvation has no works connected with it at all. If it would, then it would not be by grace, as Paul said. There is only one way to be saved, and that is by faith, in the work of Christ. There is no works connected with that. It is merely placing your faith in what Christ Jesus accomplished for us at the cross, and in his resurrection.
6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Bob: Now, what is James talking about? Faith without works is dead is a true statement. A true faith in a true Jesus is going to produce Jesus works. But the issue is that you are not saved by works. Works become an outcome of your salvation, and that is growth.
12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!
Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God
2 Peter 3:18
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
Bob: In other words, you do not have a baby that is coming out of the mother’s womb, and mother saying, “get busy, little baby? Start washing the dishes. Start cleaning up yourself.” That is maturity. But, he is a baby and he is saved. So, salvation is by faith in Christ Jesus and Him alone, but, on the other hand, if you truly have true faith in a true Jesus, then His works are going to be manifested through you. It is like if you are a true branch, and you are truly attached to the vine, the vine is going to produce fruit in and through you. You are going to be a bearer of it. He is going to produce fruit through you.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Bob: So that is after salvation. The fruit of the Spirit is not what we look at as works. We look at works as going out witnessing, going to church, and going to prayer meetings, and all those things. The bible says the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. Against those things there is no law. The works that God is looking for are the internal works of the soul.
Sean: Alright. I appreciate your time.
Bob: Okay, my brother. Good to talk to you, Sean.
Glen from Newton, KS
Glen: Good evening, Bob
Bob: Hi, Glen.
Glen: How are you?
Bob: I am doing fine. Thank you, Glen.
Glen: That is good. I have a question. I am reading at 2 Corinthians 12:20-21, where Paul is talking about visiting again the Corinthian church. I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me. What is this humbling about?
2 Corinthians 12:20-21
20 For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder. 21 I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.
Glen: He says that when I come again God will humble me. I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of their impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they indulged. Can you explain that a little bit? Why is he talking about sin and repentance?
Bob: Because those things are going on. What he is saying there, beginning in verse 20, is this. In other words, what is God’s goal for us? It is certainly not to live a life of lasciviousness, but a life of faith in Christ Jesus, allowing Him to lead us into paths of righteousness not unrighteousness.
2 Corinthians 12:20
you may not find me as you want me to be
Bob: In other words, I am going to point these things out to you. I fear there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander and gossip. Sounds like a good old day in church.
Glen: I am sorry I have to agree with you. I wish I didn’t.
Bob: So he says, I am afraid this is what I am going to find. So when I come again, my God will humble me before you. I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.
Bob: The humbleness he is talking about there is Paul came to the Corinthians. He ministered to the Corinthians. He gave them the truth from God, and in essence, they are still not following Him. It is quite a humbling experience to realize that you have done everything that you can and a person is still not following the ways of God. He says he is going to be grieved over that.
Bob: You have to realize Corinth, Glen, was the most carnal church, that has probably ever been on the face of the earth. In the midst of that unbelievable sinful debauchery that took place in that city, that, in came Paul, with a message of God’s love and grace. It was taken advantage of, and in some cases grace was misunderstood, such as when a guy was having intercourse with his father’s wife and they were proud of it. They were boasting, “This grace is wonderful.”
1 Corinthians 5:1-8
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch – as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Bob: All of those type of things. Everything you can imagine is taking place in Corinth during that period of time. He is just merely saying, “I am going to be grieved over the fact that you people have gone right back to impurity, sexual sin, debauchery, in which they have indulged.” That sexual sin, debauchery and impurity was the lifestyle of the Corinthian. They just went right back to that same old lifestyle.
Glen: In other words, they never repented to start with?
Bob: They may have changed their actions for awhile. A man comes to Christ and says he quit smoking, but then they started up again. So they went right back. It is like a dog returning to his vomit. They returned right back to the vomit they were in before.
11 As a dog returns to its vomit,
so fools repeat their folly.
Bob: When you have done that and you are a child of God, it is going to be harder to pull back than it was at the initial time of salvation. The best time in the world to turn back on your old lifestyle is when you are first saved. If you are saved and then you get back into the pits, so to speak, sin begins to become your master again. You are still a child of God but sin becomes a master.
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Bob: Quite frankly, it is harder to get rid of it at that time, but not impossible. So it would have taken Paul there to have realized that coming back to somebody’s third visit that here I am again, I am humbled because we have been here before, and you are right back into the same old pit again.
Glen: I have been reading in the New Testament. I have not been reading much in the book of Revelation. Should I go ahead and do that too?
Bob: You can if you want to. I think, quite frankly, that there are some parts of Revelation that are very understandable, and others, as far as I am concerned, it is like reading some kind of a space novel. I know it is scripture but I know that when it happens, and if I am here on this earth, I will understand it. To be real honest with you, there is a lot I do not understand at all in the book of Revelation. That would be the last book I would read. I do not spend much time in it either. I think you are on solid grand there, okay.
A lot of prophecy in Daniel is repeated in Revelation. Notice that Daniel spoke of the fact that many things, concerning end time prophecy, will not be understood until the time of the end.
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.”
Pat from Los Angeles, CA
Pat: Hey, Bob. I am just really enjoying your show. I am a first time listener. I had a couple of questions for you. One of them might be a little simple. I like the simple questions because you can get a lot out of them. In Genesis, where God is creating the heavens and the earth, and everything around him. At one point, he says I have created man to be like us, to be in our image. It always puzzled me because it is the only reference. I always wondered, who are the “our” in our image and who is he talking to, at that point?
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Bob: He said the same thing in Genesis, in regards to the rebellion in the building of the tower of Babel. The Godhead said, “Let us go and confuse their language.”
6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
Pat: Yes, in Babylon.
Bob: So there are references there. The old Rabbis used to scratch their head with the full knowledge there is only one God. Yet, here is God in plurality. In the beginning God created. That word is Elohim.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Bob: Elohim is plural. And, so basically, it was the announcement, although not the explanation, but the announcement of the Triune God. Jesus had to come and explain who the Triune God was. Until Jesus came and explained that God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, we had no idea what that “us” meant, except it was just plural, and we don’t know what it meant. Jesus came and explained that.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
30 “I and the Father are one.”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.”
23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).
21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Pat: So he is talking about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Pat: Okay, well that is great then.
Bob: The other question I have is this. I wrote an article called, “One fan’s opinion“. I was talking about the Mel Gibson thing, and how people are more outrageous of facts than they were about him driving 80 mph in a 45 mph speed zone. I said, “How fickle our minds are getting?” I never thought about it that you had put it before, as far as just the whole slur on people who are perfectly sober, who are leaders of countries. Yet we get more offended by a drunken actor’s opinion. They never said a word about it.
Bob: I was on the tread mill and the television was on. I turned on the View, unfortunately. Barbara Walters and all those women, and all they were talking about was Mel Gibson and the anti-Semitic slurs. Do you ladies realize that there are countries over there in Israel. Those are your people, over there in Israel, who say their only desire is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Never do I hear a word of condemnation for those people. Never one word. What are people thinking about? All they talk about is Mel Gibson.
Pat: I do not know. I am so glad you said that because it put me into a totally different realm. I plan to ride on that. You are the person I got it from.
Pat: There is another question I have. Are the Jewish people, do they not consider Jesus Christ as their Messiah, but they consider him as their prophet?
Bob: No, not theirs. No, they just consider him a prophet, but not theirs. They do not claim him at all.
Pat: They consider him a prophet though?
Bob: Yes, they do consider him a prophet. Yes. Why would you consider a man to be a prophet? That is a man of God who lies when he says he is God.
Pat: You answered my question real well. It is funny. I thought the same thing about that. How can you call a man a prophet if he is lying about being the Son of God?
Bob: Yes. Yes. Well, there are a lot of inconsistencies in this world, Pat. You wonder how much people actually think through things very clearly.
Pat: I wonder it all the time.
Pat: Thank you.
Bob: I said to Bob. It seems like we are in an insane asylum. Of course, if you walked into one, how would you know you walked into one?
Pat: The sane man will always appear to be insane in an insane world.
Bob: Pat, God bless you, my friend. I hope that helps.
Greg from Fresno, CA
Greg: Hello, Bob.
Bob: Hi, Greg.
Greg: First, I want to thank you for your ministry. It has been a huge help for me over the years. I remember about 8 – 10 years ago, I was sitting in the back yard. There are hundreds of Christian radio stations and we have about three. I heard this guy talking on the radio, here, and I thought, five minutes or so. I thought that either this guy is completely bonkers or he knows what he is talking about. I kept listening and found out this guy knows what he is talking about. I have read all your books. I have a hard time finding questions in the bible. I found one, in between some of my favorite verses, in Romans. Romans 8:36. I have no idea what that means.
36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[a]
Bob: Well, Paul is writing here. As it is written. He is talking about how all things work together for good, to those who love the Lord and are called according to his purpose.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
Bob: He is encouraging, by saying these things.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all – how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died – more than that, who was raised to life – is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[Psalm 44:22]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Bob: Paul had been through, Greg, every one of those things. He was not making up buzzwords. He had been through trouble, hardship, persecution, famine, nakedness and the sword. So he just merely says: “As it is written, For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” He was merely quoting out of the Old Testament that tied into what they had been through. That is all it is. It is just the amplifying what they have been through and using an Old Testament description to solidify that.
Greg: Okay. That is pretty simple. I thought that was a complicated thing.
Bob: Sometimes, it is like this. You are talking about going through hard times, and yet God was sufficient in it, then quoting a scripture that God will cause all things to happen together for good. That is all he is doing, merely quoting Old Testament scripture, just verifying what they had been through.
Greg: Alright. Keep up the good work guys. God bless.
Bob: You are sure welcome, Greg. Thank you for your help. Okay, Bye.