Call-In Classic Christianity Radio – Bob George P516 (02-28-20)
Truth is so important to grab a hold of so you can walk in the way God intended. On today’s program, two callers called, that highlight how when truth is not understood or grasped, you are unable to walk in the new life God has given you. There are those people who will not think it worthwhile to hold onto truth, and have been deceived by the thinking of the world, and are lost. Sometimes people call in on behalf of a son or daughter or granddaughter who has been ensnared, and are asking for counsel in how to reach their loved ones with truth. Then there are those who have not quite grasped what salvation is, and because of their faulty thinking, such as the fear of losing salvation, they are unable to walk in true freedom.
As the world gets worse and worse, there is so much thinking of this world that is in conflict with proper thinking. You may not be able to carry out that which is good, but you never want to get to the point of calling something other than what God calls it, sin. Homosexuality and lesbian behavior is sin. You do not have to be a Christian to know that. God has put a conscience in every person to know right from wrong. A person knows stealing is wrong and murder is wrong, for example. The way to walk free from being enslaved in sin and death is to come to Christ for life. In most cases, young people get ensnared into such perversion due to an absent father or mother, and are seeking to meet a need by means of the flesh and not the Spirit, being bound in deception.
The issue is people have thought it not wise to hold on to truth, and so they believe the lies of the world. Often this happens by evil people who recruit young girls or boys, enticing them to accept such behavior as an alternative lifestyle or a valid means of love. God calls such behavior, homosexuality and lesbianism, as perversion. Romans 1 clearly indicates such behavior as perversion. What often happens with young girls is that they have a breakup with a boyfriend, and are deceived into thinking that a girl understands her better, and gives up any hope of a meaningful relationship with boys. That starts a downward progression in thinking that is contrary to what is true and proper behavior.
Is their hope for your loved one who has been ensnared? Yes. You have the right to not allow that perversion to be flaunted in your home, and you appeal to her with the truth of Christ, his unconditional love and provision. You share the message of the gospel in Christ Jesus. But as long as a person continues in that perversion, they will not be able to live in the life God has planned for them. He did not die on a cross for a person to continue in sin, that leads to death, but to walk free from that, in a life that is truly free, where there is no more condemnation for you and so you can walk in a new way of living in all joy and peace. The only person who can meet a person’s need of unconditional love and acceptance is God. A perverse lifestyle is Satan’s trick in deceiving someone in thinking you can receive unconditional love and acceptance in a person, and in this case, in a perverse lifestyle, which only leads to eventual heartache, pain, and even death through sexual transmitted diseases, such as AIDS.
Other times, people hesitate to call because of fear. On a topic so important as salvation and eternal life, do not let that fear prevent you from asking questions. Your questions are more common than you think. There are many a person who has doubted their salvation or who have thought they committed the unpardonable sin. It is good when people call when they have faulty thinking, for then they can hear truth that can help them. Often times they call because they are beginning to realize that something is wrong in their thinking, but have not got a firm hold on truth. This is what believers are here for. Often people have troubling thoughts, such as have I done enough good things for God to accept me or have I done bad things that would cause God to not accept me. They have not understood the truth of the good news of the gospel. They have either never heard the message of the gospel of good news before or have been taught error that has gotten them stuck in their thinking.
Listen as Bob George shares the gospel message in Christ Jesus and truth from God’s word to help people walk free. As Jesus said, you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. It is truth that will set a person free. If you are in Christ, then you have been given everything you need for life and godliness. If you walk in the Spirit, then you will not carry out the desires of the flesh, which are in conflict with the Spirit.
Patsy: I am concerned. We just sent our granddaughter back overseas. The reason we did is because she chose to live a lesbian lifestyle. We gave her an ultimatum that she should not continue in that lifestyle or she would go home. So she went home a very bitter young woman. Her mother and her step-father are having a difficult time to know what to do with her. She wants to be on email to talk to these friends. We believe homosexuality is choice and not something you are born with. We are trying to get into counseling. We are having a difficult time dealing with her because she is making life difficult for everyone.
Bob: What you have to do with that time of thing, Patsy, is this. First of all, you and I, as a Christian, according to scripture, know that there is woe to those people who call what is good evil and what is evil good.
20Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
Bob: When God calls something sin, we have to acknowledge that that is sin. You do not have to be a Christian to know that homosexuality is a sin. You do not have to be a Christian to know that that is perverted. You know that is as a lost person. I did not gain my understanding of homosexuality by becoming a Christian. I believe the same thing as a lost person that I believe as a Christian, that that is sin.
Bob: I did not change my mind about stealing when I became a Christian. I knew stealing, lying, fornication, and adultery are sins as a lost person. I did not need to be taught that as a lost person. I knew those things as sin long before I became a Christian. So I say to people, “Do not blame this on being a Christian.” This is just good common sense. God puts it on the heart, into the conscience of men, that you know what is right from wrong. There is such a thing as a right and a wrong. If there is no such thing as wrong, how would you know what is right?
Bob: So you are making a stand on what is truth. Homosexual behavior is called sin according to God’s word. God’s word explains how such a sin comes about and how it manifests itself into more and more depravity.
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Bob: God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts, for the sexual impurity, for the degrading of their bodies, and exchanged the truth of God for a lie. And it says that because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. That is your granddaughter.
Bob: This is a by-product. This is a step to. Because of what? The exchanging of truth for a lie and worshiping a created being, another person, another woman, or another man if you are a male, rather than the one who created us. A perverse person says in her heart: “God, I do not care how you created me. I do not even care you did. I am a woman inside”. All such talk is nonsense. If you have the equipment for a woman, you are a woman. If you have the equipment for a man, you are a man. Quit exchanging the truth for a lie.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Bob: So they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. AIDS is a due penalty for such perversion, as is other sexually transmitted diseases. Here is the key.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
Bob: Patsy, I believe homosexuality is a form of insanity.
Patsy: I agree.
Bob: Some people are not going to like to hear that, but I am going to say it anyway. You have to have a hinge of insanity in you to think that as a woman that I am going to behave as a man, or as a man that I want to be a woman. There is a point of insanity connected with that. What some people define as insanity is a person who continues to do something what they know is destroying them. That is really insane too. What it says here is true. You have been turned over to a mind of depravity, so you continue doing what you should not be doing.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
Bob: You have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. Then it goes ahead, which you see today, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Bob:In other words, they are encouraging other people to get involved in it.
Patsy: Oh yea!
Bob: Homosexuality is a perversion. It is a sexual perversion. In saying all of that, what do you do with your granddaughter? You set a standard and tell her the truth in regards to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ loves you and he was raised to offer you eternal life. He did not create you as a pervert. He did not create you depraved. That came from your own choices. We love you just like God loves you, but I am not going to have that behavior flaunted in front of our family and in front of our own home. What you do in your own privacy is your own business, but when you flaunt that behavior in other people then we have to take a stand on that.
Bob: That was the same thing taking place in 1 Corinthians. The man having intercourse with his father’s wife was flaunting that. He was proud of that and happy about that. Was that harsh? No. The instruction obeyed was to save the body of Christ. If you approach it in that way. Not that we hate you, but we hate what you have given your mind over to. It is a depraved mind. It is not a mind where you are listening to God. As a matter of fact, you do not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God. If you did, then you would not say something is okay when God says it is perversion. We love you, and if you ever change your mind, we welcome you back, but we are not going to have you flaunting your lifestyle in front of me or your family.
Patsy: That is the stand her mother is taking. The step-father is the one who said she can e-mail these friends. I was hoping that he wouldn’t but they did not ask me so I did not really tell them. That is exactly the stand we took in our home. We are Christians and you knew that when you came here. So you will not do this.
Bob: I think, Patsy, to me, the mistake we make is by saying we are Christians. Whether you are a Christian or not, that is not the issue. As a non-Christian, you know homosexuality is wrong and perverted. You do not have to be a Christian to know that.
Patsy: Right. That is a very good point.
Bob: When you say,“We are Christians so we are not going to tolerate that behavior”. Such a statement plays into the defensive response that Christians are intolerant people. No, whether you are Christians or not is irrelevant to the problem. I know right from wrong. I knew right from wrong even before I knew the Lord. This is wrong. As a non-Christian, you know such sexual behavior is a sin. This is wrong. I am not going to have you flaunt that perverted behavior in our faces. That is the key. What you do in private is between you and God. But you are not going to flaunt this before our people and our family.
Patsy: I appreciate that we are working toward that. I think what she is doing is absolutely out of rebellion and anger. A lot of things she said to her mom, when she went back home, is absolutely not true. She is doing that to hurt her, hoping she will get so angry that she will load her back on a plane and send her back. Which is absolutely not what needs to be done and she knows that. She is a beautiful young lady and brought us nothing but happiness until this, which happened about 6 or 7 months ago.
p>Bob: She is in rebellion and anger but she was recruited into this behavior. There are really evil people out there, preying on vulnerable people. You are not born that way, so you have to be recruited. With woman, you are recruited with a friendship and this person knows what she is doing. All of this is part of an agenda. Someone who is practicing homosexuality and get eyes on someone who isn’t, they tenaciously keep at it until it is finally fulfilled. That is where wisdom has to take place in woman lives as well as men, as to why this person is so interested in me.
Patsy: She had gone through two boyfriends, and had just broken up with one. This little girl came into the picture of this other girl, that who had this reputation all through the years. So she struck up this friendship with our granddaughter. That is how that went.
Bob: Men do not understand this. They keep at it and at it. She had an agenda and accomplished it.
Bob: You talk about evil and the recruiting of that. Those are the evil people.
Bob: The best to you, Patsy. I hope she comes to her senses.
Patsy: She is going to. We are going to see to it. We are going to pray and pray and see to it she does. I thank you so much for taking my call. I enjoy listening to you.
Bob: Thank you, Patsy, for your call. Bye bye.
Jeremy from Phoenix, Arizona
Jeremy: Hi Bob. I have a question. For a long time I have been wondering if I am saved. One of the big concerns that constantly hits my mind and maybe you could give some insight on. The unpardonable sin?
22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”
23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. 28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
Jeremy: Something in me, when I am making a prayer, my mind will be double-minded. I believe I am forgiven but then I hear in my head that I did something unpardonable. No matter how hard I try believing I get stumbled up in that. It is frustrating because I have prayed to receive Christ before but I still have these doubts: Have I really truly repented? I keep getting caught up in confessing my sins. Just all kinds of thoughts that always come against my mind. How can God be three in one and stuff like that and I really do not know if I truly overcome that. So maybe you can help me? Is there a point where a man could go that it would be impossible for him to really return to the Lord with his heart?
Bob: Jeremy, as far as an impossibility to correct the unpardonable sin would only be to die in your unbelief. The only sin that is attributable to man is the sin of denying or not paying any attention to, or in other words, a passive indifference to, the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus. The sins of the world have all been placed behind the back of God never to see them again. The sins of the world were taken away from the eyes of God so that God is not looking upon our sins today. He is looking upon our sin of the rejection of the Son of God. The only question that God will ever ask a person is: “What did you do with My Son?”
John 16:9 (TLB)
9 The world’s sin is unbelief in me
1 John 2:2 (TLB)
2 He is the one who took God’s wrath against our sins upon himself and brought us into fellowship with God; and he is the forgiveness for our sins, and not only ours but all the world’s
2 Corinthians 5:19
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
Bob: Did you accept by faith what he came to do for you when he died on the cross to take away your sins and was raised from the dead in order to give life to you or did you ignore that, with a passive indifference or an active rebellion, either one of those two? That is only the question that will be asked. Why did God do that? How are you going to judge sins? How many sins will you have to commit before he says you had it? How many good deeds will you have to do before he would say you are okay? There is no way to determine that, is it? So he neutralized the entire world, the Jews as well as the Gentiles, into the area of spiritual death. He took away their sins so you are not being judged on how much you sinned or how much you have not sinned but being judged on the fact on: “Have you come alive in My Son?“
1 John 5:20
20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Bob: Have you accepted his resurrection? All through the scriptures and even through the book of Acts you see the resurrection and the resurrection. Paul said that without the resurrection, we are to be pitied of all people and are still in our sins.
1 Corinthians 15:19-20
19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Bob: So we have to come to the point where we, if I am going to claim by faith, and say by faith, and this is the testimony of the word of God, that he not only died for your sins but the sins of the entire world. It is a truth. Now, that is either a truth or a lie. Now if it is a lie we might as well pitch the bible into the waste basket and go eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
1 Corinthians 15:32
32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”
Bob: But if that is true, and you have not rebelled against the knowledge of the truth, and accepted that by faith, then you do not have to worry about whether I have sinned too much or what is this sin is going to do in relationship to God, because that is behind his back never to be seen again.
Bob: So how is God dealing with sin today? If he is not dealing with us on the basis of sin, what is he doing? If he was dealing with you on the basis of sin, then he would have to deal with you on the basis of sin and death. You cannot separate the two. It would be like having a law with no penalty. You have a traffic law that you cannot drive over 60 miles per hour, but if you drive over 80 miles per hour it has no penalty? That would make no sense, would it? So you cannot separate law from penalty. So thank God that He is not dealing with us on the basis of sin and death. Paul says in the 8th chapter of Romans, there is now no condemnation awaiting those who are in Jesus for the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death. You have been freed from that law.
1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Bob: So God is dealing with you and I today on the basis of being his child. You have now become a child of the living God. He is dealing with us on the basis of fatherhood and childhood. He is dealing with us on the basis of continually renewing our mind, teaching us truth and setting us free. He is dealing with us on the basis of the new life we have. We are born again to serve in the newness of life, not in the old way of the law that kills, but in the way of the Spirit that gives life.
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
2 Corinthians 3:6
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant – not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Bob: So it is just like dealing with a small child. You are constantly trying to admonish, teach and discipline him until he grows up to become mature. So that is God’s dealing with you. There is no condemnation awaiting you. As far as these thoughts you are talking about, you have to realize, if indeed you are in Christ, and only you can determine that, whether or not you have truly exercised saving faith, in what Jesus did. Forget about what you are doing but put saving faith in what he has done. You believe in your heart that Jesus went to the cross, suffered and died to take away your sins from the eyes of God.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
The answer of that is “yes” then that is the preparation of salvation. Do you believe Christ was raised from the dead so that you, who were born dead, can be raised into newness of life with Him, and accepted the fact that you were dead spiritually, and God offered you his resurrected life, and you have come to him by faith saying: “God, if you do not give me life, I will not enter into the life of God, period. My entire confidence is in You and You alone.” When I stand before God and he says, “What have you done to deserve to be in my heaven?”, the only answer God will only ever consider is, “I have your Son. I have accepted Jesus and His provision for me.”
Bob: If those things are true in your life, then you are born again. And as a born again believer, Satan does not like to give up that easy, for he has lost you eternally to God. But he will still keep trying to torture you with error. So if you are truly born again, it is not unusual for Satan to bombard you with trying to put doubts in your head.
1 Peter 5:8
8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
44 He [Satan] was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Bob: So that is when you know truth, that is how you handle those things. You say to Satan, “Satan, I know what truth is. You are not giving me truth so go talk to someone else because I am not listening to you. I know what truth is.”
Bob: Where do you think you are in that equation, Jeremy?
Jeremy: I know I have prayed it before, but I still have doubts whether I really did give him my heart. I am just afraid to say I have it because I prayed it.
Bob: The praying of it is not the issue. No one is saved by praying. You are saved by faith. The prayer is just a way of expressing the truth of what has taken place in your heart. No one is saved by praying. You are saved by faith. When you have placed faith in Jesus is when you, in your heart, you have said, “Jesus, this is truth. If you did not take away my sins, I am still in my sins. If you weren’t raised from the dead then I am still dead.” The prayer can or cannot be an extension of merely communicating to God of the truth of what took place in your heart.
Jeremy: I do not think I really trusted Him.
Bob: Do you think you are ready to do that tonight, Jeremy, or do you still have to process? Again, I almost hesitate to say for you to pray with me. If you are ready to trust Him, then the next step is to trust him. It is like looking at a chair and saying, “I am ready to believe that chair is ready to hold me. So what do you do? You sit in it.” In your situation, it is “Yes, I have heard what this truth is and I believe it with all my heart. I do not want to be tossed to and fro by every wave of doctrine. This is something I am holding onto with all my life.”
Bob: Quite frankly what you are about to put your faith in is if that does not work you will end up in hell. So that is pretty convincing. It is one of those things. “Oh, well, if this is not true something else will happen?” No, this is saying if this does not work, then you and I are going to hell. This is placing your faith in the truth of the death, burial and resurrection for you. It is more than just an historical event. He died for you. He took away your sins at the cross. He suffered and died for your sins. When he was raised from the dead, he was raised with you in mind. This believing that, Jeremy, that you are dead spiritually and God is saying, “I have come to give you life. I am the resurrection and the life and if you believe in Me though you were dead, yet will you live, and whosoever lives and believes in Me will never die? Do you believe this?”.
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Bob: If the answer to that is “Yes. Yes, Father, I do believe this and I put my faith in that“, you are born again. Now, as a way of expressing what has taken place, and what you have decided in your heart, that this is what I know to be true from this day forth is to merely say to God, “God, I believed what you told me.” If you want to do that I want to pray with you.
Jeremy: Yes, I do.
Jeremy and Bob (Jeremy repeating after Bob): “Father, I believe what you said in your word, that he who has the Son has life and he who does not have the Son does not have life. I do not want to remain dead. I, therefore, ask You to come into my heart as my Lord and my Savior and my best friend. In Jesus name, amen.
Bob: Okay. Now Jeremy, that is the last you should have to do that. The fact that you may have doubts pumped into your head is not unusual. Satan wants to do that. With the deals you talked about with the Trinity. All that is, is that I cannot comprehend the Spirit for God is Spirit. I cannot comprehend Spirit. I have never seen Spirit. I have never smelled Spirit. I have never touched Spirit. You must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. How the Spirit indwells the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, I do not know. We try to put flesh and blood on that and put three persons in there. God is Spirit. God exists and the bible tells us He is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. I may not be able to comprehend that but I can apprehend that. It is stated so that is what I know to be true. There is one God and He exists in the person of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. You can just leave that one alone.
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
28 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Bob: Okay. Jeremy, let us send you our “New Believer’s” packet. We praise the Lord for you. Thank God you nailed that down. If I were you, I would write in the bible the date today and just say you nailed it down. You may have been. You may not have been. But today you nailed it down. If Satan comes and casts doubt on you, tell him to get lost and tell him to go talk to Bob Davis.
p>Bob and Jeremy both laughing. Bob was just humorously saying that in regards to Bob Davis, the co-host on the air with him.
Bob: Work through the “New Believer’s packet and keep working through the word of God and keep depending on the Spirit of God, who lives in you, to reveal to you the meaning of the word of God to you.
Jeremy: Thank you.
Bob: Hang on and we will send that information to you. We are rejoicing with you. If you ever have any more questions, do not hesitate to call.
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