Call-ins Radio Broadcast Friday 12/20/2019

Call-In Classic Christianity Radio – Bob George P500 (12-20-19)


It cannot be emphasized enough to study the bible on your own, allowing the Holy Spirit to teach you. That is the only way you can be certain that you are hearing truth. It is common among the world today for people to rely on what their favorite teacher says as true, whether it be Bob George, John MacArthur, Calvin or Luther, or whoever you happen to esteem. But, how do you know if they are teaching you correctly? They might be but they might not be. How would you know?

Recognize also that cults, such as the Catholics and the Mormons today, the legalists, like the Jews the apostle Paul confronted in Galatia, and the gnostics confronted by the apostle John, will twist scripture in teaching men. So many have been led astray by such teaching. But, if you, who have the Spirit in you, and have grown in discernment, be on guard and recognize error when you hear it. Bear in mind that there are numerous erroneous teaching among various denominations today, the teaching of tithe, a second filling or baptism of the Spirit, and Calvinism, for example, that many have believed simply because that is what their denomination or favorite teacher teaches. Have you checked out such teaching you have heard with the word of God?

If you have the Holy Spirit living in you, are born again, then Jesus has promised to guide you into all truth. He guides you into truth through the scriptures he has given us. The Spirit reveals truth to men so that no longer does man need anyone to teach him, for the Spirit will teach him the meaning of the word of God. A minister or teacher can teach you what he believes the Spirit has revealed to him or he could be teaching you what a seminary has said what the scriptures mean? Study the scriptures to rightly divide the word of truth. Let no man deceive you.

We are instructed from the word of God to study the scriptures to rightly divide the word of truth and to test the spirits to see if they are of God. We have the example of the apostle Paul commending the Bereans as being noble for testing to see what he said was so. We have the example of John instructing the believers to test the spirits, to see if teaching is from God. Such was the case with the gnostics who had infiltrated their church, led by John, who were leading people astray. So also did the apostle Paul confront the Galatians for mixing law and grace. For there were those legalists who infiltrated the church. Leaders, those who have grown in the Lord, and who rightly divide the truth, are placed in positions to oversee a church, until such a time and while all members grow up in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. But faith is built when each individual gets alone with God and asks the Holy Spirit reveal truth to him. The Holy Spirit reveals truth to men. Leaders can help in that, but again, truth is revealed by the Spirit. How do you know if a leader is rightly diving truth? Whatever any man says should be tested by each person individually, as Paul commended the Bereans for doing.

It takes time for young believers, and all of us, to grow. We are instructed to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ so we are not tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. There is an excellent series of books, the Closer Look series of books, that Bob George Ministries makes available to help people grow in foundational truth, such as the deity of Christ, forgiveness, law and grace, prayer, the New Covenant and other foundational truths. These books are designed to lead a person to find the answers to various questions of a passage. By looking up the passage of scripture for yourself, answering the questions, and with the attitude of asking the Holy Spirit to reveal to you the meaning of the word of God, not what it says, but what it means, you will be growing as God intended.

In the Closer Look series of books, all the questions are logically organized to help someone discern the main doctrine in detail, and is typically laid out with a passage or two of scriptures followed by four or five questions that can easily be answered by the scriptures. You are encouraged to have your bible with you and read the scriptures in its larger context, so as to discern its meaning. It is important to know, for example, who the author is writing to. You should ask such questions as, under what covenant is the audience currently under, and to what covenant is he is speaking of, and is he talking to a Jew, a Gentile, the lost or the saved?

If you are not certain if you are born again, or even what born again means, maybe even never hearing that phrase before, check out John 3, and ask the Spirit of God to explain what Jesus was saying to Nicodemus, that you might believe and understand this offer of eternal life that Jesus promised those who believed. Study the scriptures, to find out in more detail, these things that Jesus did for you personally, through his death, burial and resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The book of Romans goes into more detail on this subject of salvation that is by faith, from first to last.


James from Nashville, TN

James: I got two scriptures but basically the same question. I was reading in 1 John 2:27.

1 John 2:27
27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit – just as it has taught you, remain in him.

James: The second part is in Ephesians.

Ephesians 4:11-12
11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

James: That confused me a little bit. Why does it have two different ways of being taught?

Bob: Again, James, that is a good question. This is how you answer that. When you and I are indwelt by the Spirit, which is what it means to have the anointing by the Holy Spirit, that word anoint thrown around in some circles is unbelievable and unbiblical. It merely means you are indwelt by the Spirit, and all of you know the truth. If you are indwelt by the Spirit then you are indwelt by the Spirit of truth, to be indwelt by Jesus, who is full of grace and truth. Whether you like this or not, when you are indwelt by Christ, you are indwelt and full of grace and truth. When you rebel against what you are full of is ridiculous. Yet people say they are born again of the Spirit, yet are still going to hang onto law. It says if you are indwelt by the Spirit, you are indwelt by grace and truth. So you are in rebellion against what you are indwelt by. So if the anointing is the Holy Spirit of God and because he lives in you, you know truth.

1 John 2:21-22
21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist – denying the Father and the Son.

Bob: Again, James, to put this 1 John in its proper perspective, you heard us say many times, this was written to correct gnosticism. The gnostics are teaching that Jesus did not come in the flesh, and that he was an illusion. They also taught they did not have a sin nature. So now you see how this is continuing on. You people know the truth, so why are you even listening to these things. I do not write you because you do not know the truth. You know the truth. You know that no lie comes from the truth. So this lie you are listening to is not coming from Jesus. The man who denies Jesus is the Christ, that is the gnostics. Such a man is the antichrist. He denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22-23
It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist – denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Bob: That also annihilates that idea that it is Jesus only, that there is no such thing as Father and Spirit, which is also taught in Christendom. If you are born again, you know the truth. So I do not know why you are rebelling against the truth in this Jesus only. The bible says that no one who denies the Son has the Father. So that is the Son and the Father. Whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

1 John 2:24-25
24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us – eternal life.

Bob: So, he is solidifying to us, James, the truth about the gospel that has been presented to them. So he is saying, as for you , I am writing these things to you because of those who are trying to lead you astray.

1 John 2:26-27
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit – just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Bob: Who is the person who has to teach you the meaning of the word of God? The Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:9-10
9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit.

Bob: The job of the Spirit is to reveal to you the meaning of the word of God. The job of a teacher is to teach you the word of God. So God gave teachers, evangelists, apostles, pastors, and teachers to equip the saints for the work of ministry. What the work of ministry is is to believe in Christ Jesus. When they asked Jesus, what is the work of ministry, he said the work of ministry is to believe in me.

John 6:28-29
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Bob: If I am a teacher, then I am there to teach you the word of God. In teaching you the word of God, I will also teach you what God has revealed to me, if indeed I have allowed Him to reveal to me the meaning of the word of God. I could also teach you what I learned from seminary as to what it means, but unless the Spirit is teaching you what it means, you have not been taught. You can hear a teacher teaching you the word of God, and even listening to a teacher teaching what he believes what it means. But you cannot count on that. You cannot count on what the Spirit has led me to believe what the meaning of the word of God means. You have to go into the word of God on your own and ask God to reveal to you the meaning of the word of God.

Acts 17:11
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

2 Timothy 2:15
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

Bob: If we line up together, then we are in pretty good shape because we know the Spirit has revealed the truth to us individually. But the teacher is there to teach you the word and the Spirit of God is there to reveal the meaning of it.

James: So I guess that is what Paul said in Timothy to show yourself approved. So when I study I get truth by the Holy Spirit. Then when ministers, like you, help teach, then I can use what I have to discern what you did, and let the Holy Spirit guide me into all truth.

John 16:13
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth.

Bob: Sure. Exactly. If you have an open heart, and you are approaching the word of God, not with a bias, but with the attitude of: “God, I want you to teach me the meaning.” If that matches up with someone I appreciate, then I am going to say “praise God for that”. But in the final analysis, I am not going to depend on someone else for what I believe. That is why I think it is absolutely ridiculous for people to say “I am a Calvinist”, “I follow Luther” or “I follow Calvin”. What they are saying is that they are following the teaching of another man. I man not going to explore for myself what the bible teaches me. I am just going to follow Calvin. That is what goes on in Mormonism. I am going to believe what Joseph Smith taught men. Every cult is just believing what a cult leader says the bible is meaning from his standpoint. To follow just a man, without examining it with the word of God is just intellectual suicide.

1 John 4:1
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

James: Okay. I follow what you are saying and that makes perfect sense.

Bob: Okay, Brother.

James: I appreciate you.

Bob: You are sure welcome, James. I appreciate your call, pal.

James: Thanks a lot, Bob. Bye Bye.

Hans from Eugene, OR

Hans: Many blessings to all of you.

Bob: Thank you, brother. Same to you.

Hans: I have a question on Mark 11:25-26. In that, in verse 26, some translations omit that. It seems like a pretty important omission. Is Mark 11:25-26, is that the Old Covenant?

Mark 11:25-26 (NKJ)
25 ‒And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.”

Bob: Well, yes. Of course. A New Covenant did not go into effect until the day Jesus died.

Hebrews 9:15-18
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance – now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.

Bob: That passage is no different than the passage in what we refer to as the Lord’s prayer. But we normally put a period where it does not belong. For it also says in verse 15 of Matthew 6, that if you do not forgive your brother on earth, then your Father in heaven will not forgive you. That would be forgiveness under the Old Covenant. But in the New Covenant, it would be to forgive one another as Christ forgave you. It has been replaced by the New Covenant of grace.

Matthew 6:8-15
8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9 ‒This, then, is how you should pray:

‒‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.’

14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15/sup> But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

1 John 2:7-8
7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

Colossians 3:13
13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

John 13:34-35
34 ‒A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.–

Hans: That I understand then. Can I ask a related question on confusion, John 3:12 and John 3:13?

John 3:12-13
12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Hans: Is there any way to understand that what earthly things are and what heavenly things are? He mentioned at some point, heavenly things like a mansion, saying in my Father’s house are many rooms. That is the heavenly thing, right?

Bob: Again Hans, let us see what is being dealt with. He just got through telling us what earthly things were. That is, an example, unless a man is born of water. What is that? Natural birth. Flesh giving birth to flesh. He also said that the wind blows. Do not be surprised that you must be born again. The wind blows where it pleases. You hear it sound. Those are earthly things. If you do not understand those, how are you ever going to understand heavenly things?

John 3:1-12
1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

Hans: Did he ever mention heavenly things?

Bob: Well, being born again is a heavenly thing. That is an act of the Spirit that cannot be explained in human terms. It can be explained in human terms but it cannot be experienced in human terms.

John 3:13-21
13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven – the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

Hans: In verse 13, where Jesus says that no one has ascended to heaven, can Jesus be in two places at once? Probably?

Bob: No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, the Son of man. He is merely saying that no one has gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven and that is Jesus. So what he is talking about there is this. Again, I have spoken to you of earthly things, how are you going to believe when I speak of heavenly things? No one has gone into heaven except the one. He is saying he is the one who came from heaven. He will go into heaven and then we will follow him there. But no one is going to go there unless he comes down to us, and enables us to go up with him.

Hans: So with Elijah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Jesus mentioned God is the God of the living, so where would they be?

Matthew 22:32
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Bob: Do you mean today? In heaven. No one had gone into heaven until the day that Jesus went to his cross. And in between the cross and the resurrection, he ascended into heaven to announce to the saints in a holding pattern, that the price has now been paid, and then he led him into heaven at that time.

1 Peter 4:6
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

Hans: That clears up my confusion. Thank you very much. I follow you so close. It is so wonderful. There are so many times I talk to you on the radio, “I wish you would answer this for me”. I understand I have to call.

Bob: That helps a lot. (Laughter)

Hans: Thanks.

Bob: You are sure welcome, Hans. Bye. Bye.

Victor from Chatsworth, CA

Victor: Thank you for your program. You have been very inspiring with all your answers to these people’s questions. I am very appreciative and blessed.

Bob: Thank you, brother.

Victor: Do you think those people on programs, those that go into a haunted house, and funny things going on? What do you think about that, Bob?

Bob: I do not think anything about it, Victor. Your imaginations can far exceed anything that has any intelligence associated to it. You will hear about those things, a house being haunted, especially when Halloween gets close to us. The issue is, or my feeling on this one, is I do not believe that. If it was, so what. I think we have to realize the Holy Spirit of God lives in people.

Bob: You go over to places in the far East, as an example. You go into Egypt. What is amazing to me, Victor, driving down the street and seeing miles upon miles upon miles of these little homes. Sometimes they built bigger homes. There were some nice looking structures. I asked what that was? “That is where all these spirits go that leave bodies when they die. So we build houses for them.” Well, that kind of religion, scratching my head, “How could somebody come up with that??” To think that some spirit is going to live in you, and then when you die, you go and live in this little condo down here, is ridiculous.

Victor: What about this strange kind of energy?

Bob: No. I do not think about any of that. The sooner you forget thinking about those thing, the better off you are.

Victor: What about demons? Do you think they roam the earth like the bible says?

Bob: I do not see anything in scripture to deny that demonic possession would not be in existence today. I believe it is. We do not see too much of that. But there are parts of the world, where demonic activity is more prevalent or more easily observed. I know men I respect greatly in the Lord who have gone to places in the world who have seen in abundance, demon possession.

Bob: I have probably, in my experience in the Lord, have seen very very little of that. But I do not go looking for it. I have seen some things after they have come to Christ, that a person testifying to what was going on in their lives, that it appeared to me they were involved in demon possession, until such a time they came to Christ. The answer to demon possession is getting the right man in and then the wrong man must go out. You do not need exorcism. You just get Jesus in him and the wrong man goes out.

Victor: Cult, with Wiji board and tarot card. The first time I experienced that, it is real. That thing is real.

Bob: Absolutely.

Victor: Thank you so much, Bob. Keep it up, Bob. Thank you for your program.

Bob: Thank you, Victor. Thank you for your call.

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Terra: I have been raised Christian and my husband just recently, last January, was baptized. We are having a really hard time conversing our faith, praying and studying together. To him he feels too awkward. I do not know how to encourage him to do more with me and to study more.

Bob: Terra, a couple of things that raise a flag to me is the verbiage you use. It may not mean anything, but we do need to clarify. You say your husband is baptized and you grew up a Christian.

Terra: Yes.

Bob: Growing up in a Christian home does not make you a Christian and baptism does not make you a Christian. What you should be identifying is that you came to Christ as your personal Lord and Savior at some point in history. You may not remember the day, but there was a day you accepted the Lord in your life totally. There is no other way in heaven except through Christ Jesus. The same way would be for your husband. If that is not so then you are unequally yoked.

2 Corinthians 6:14
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

Bob: It happens so much in Christendom. Someone gets dunked. But the issue is that baptism never saved anybody.

1 Peter 3:21
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also – not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Bob: So what you have to do is to be sure that a person is born again. I have no idea. I am assuming, from your conversation, that you have come to Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. Again, not raised in church. That is not going to do it. But personally coming to Christ by faith in the death, burial and resurrection for you, and not just acknowledging an historical event that took place.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

Bob: You are believing what Jesus did for you. He was raised for you.

Bob: Unless your husband has that same testimony, then you are unequally yoked. Which could be why the problem is for the being uncomfortable being together studying the bible.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18
17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel – not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Bob: If you are born again, and he is not, and you are studying the bible, it is not making any sense to him.

Terra: I was raised in the church. I was raised Christian. My upbringing was really abusive. I walked away from church, as it were. Since then I have come back and studied a lot with different ministers. I really found my own faith and what Christ means to me. I had to do a lot of personal soul searching. My husband is seeing all this. We studied a bit together. He studied with other people. For him, his baptism, coming to Christ, saying, “Yes, I believe Jesus is the Son of God.”

Bob: That is not going to get it. James says, “You say you believe in God. Even Satan believes in God and shutters.”

James 2:19
19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that – and shudder.

Bob: The issue is this. I have to emphasize the fact, whether you, me or any one else, that no one becomes a Christian going to church any more than a hen sitting in a hen house. The issue is not coming back to church. The issue is, first of all, recognizing what he has declared about you. He says you are a sinner, and he says you are dead. What dead means is that you are dead to the life of Christ. The consequence of sin is death. There is sin and then there is the consequence. The consequence of sin is spiritual death. All of us are born into this world born dead spiritually. Going to church does not make you alive. Being baptized does not make you alive. Luther cannot make you alive. Buddha cannot make you alive. Only Christ Jesus, the risen Christ, can give life to the dead.

Romans 5:19
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man [Adam] the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man [Jesus] the many will be made righteous.

Ephesians 2:1
1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 6:34-35
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.

Romans 8:11
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Terra: Right and believing that.

Bob: So when you come to Him, you came to Him for resurrected life. You said, “I am dead to God, and Jesus if you are the way, the truth, and the life, then I want you to come into my heart and be my life.” Then you are born again.

John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Terra: What I am saying is your husband does not have that same testimony, and I do not know whether he does or not, but if he does not have that same testimony, then you are unequally yoked, which would account for the problem you are talking about.

Bob: On the hand, if he is born again, then there is nothing uncomfortable about coming together with your husband and studying scripture together, not studying scripture to verbalize what is taught by a denomination, but to what the Spirit has done for you as to what truth is, and discussing that with one another. That is a wonderful way to go as a born again believer.

Terra: How do we know where to start? I do my own study, going through a book on my own. With him, we have nowhere to start.

Bob: There are bible studies, Terra. We have a series of bible studies [“A Closer Look” series of books], that are literally life changing for people. It starts out first with studying the deity of Christ. Well, I already know abut that. No you do not. You cannot study the person of Christ long enough to ever get to the depth of it. You could start there and start studying together. I did that with my family. That is the way I learned the bible. You have one on forgiveness, one on resurrected life, one on prayer, one on all of these, and one on the New Covenant. All of these basics are absolutely a necessity for you and your husband to know to get grounded. Those are the best books in the world to get grounded in the Christian faith. You are studying a passage of scripture, and having to sit back and ask, “What does this mean?” It takes you step by step. That is what I would do if I were in your shoes. They are not expensive at all. Just get a hold of them and start studying together.

Terra: Perfect. Thank you.

Bob: Did that help, Terra? I will put you on hold and let you talk to our operators. They will get you information so you can obtain those books.

Bob: Good to talk to you, Terra.

Terra: You too. Thank you.

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